Thanks for your replys, apparantely it's just between you and I. Yes I am just
throwing it out for people to chew on; I see more people are referring toTM as
a step to enlightenment. It takes time; generations, I believe, for a concept
to take hold. Maybe quicker with TM.
I do appreciate your allowing me to chat a bit on the blog. I was hopeful other
people would read the book and comment a bit, but thats not hapenning. I have
another proposal for you ...I was planning to go with some advertising campaign
on some of the social platforms. Spend a couple hundred dollars on advertising.
I had the idea, why not spend the money on gifting to People that can relate to
the experience of transcending. This book writing was a project, I had wished
would provide me with some comment and feedback... to fill my days with a bit
of passion in writing.
There is an option on amazon to gift books to others on line. I haven't checked
out the details of how to do so, but I am sure there is a way I could send the
book for free to others who view this option on your blog.That may get you into
trouble, with the guidelines, not filtering all work through the leaders of the
TM org.That would be your call, you could read it and then decide if it would
pass judgement.
It makes no sence for me to continue on this site, since I am not a participant
of the community. My interest: feedback on the book.
There are a few serious negative blog sites out there bashing the TM movement.
I am an expression of what Maharishi wished for...an individual, regularily
practicing TM, in the light of one's discipline. This is an art book, poetic,
visually stimulating transcendental art; a subjective experience of meditating
artist in activity: a positive fresh approach to understanding the one's value,
and benefit of this meditation.
Unless u have another suggestion, I will move on, but I do appreciate the
effortthanks...let me know what you decide
Dave Ryan
On Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:23 AM, "olliesed...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I appreciate your concern, though I do not see it as a problem. People
come to TM or not, according to their awareness and need. It could be called
'green cheese' for some and they would still start the practice. Sure the world
has some stress, though I for one feel that things are headed in the right
direction. TM will always be around.Yes, the David Lynch Foundation is further
integrating TM with Western thought. Thanks for sharing more about this book,
and your thinking. I have no need to pick apart what you are saying, or
belittle you, though I see what you are proposing as a natural process that we
can engage with or not, according to our personal desires. The "world" will be
fine, either way.:-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <ryandave177@...> wrote :
I wouldn't call it a mistake so much as a situation, where time has evolved to:
readdress the issue on a major level. The issue is this: for 50 plus years TM
has been associated with a meditation created from India. Most all people in
the western world perceives this knowledge as outside their world. Subsciously,
most westerners see TM and all that it is: an unnecessary component of living,
a foreign design. After SRM days, Maharishi's wish was... that western science
incorporate the science of creative intelligence into western thinking. The
great minds of western science, art,... all western discipline may incorporate
this knowledge of life, (conceived in India) into a construct of western
thought.
TM today, by most people outside of progressive thinking, is still thought to
be an Eastern construct with some, scientific validation. And because of this
perception, millions of people will still resist this meditation because of its
association to Eastern thought.
When corporations create product, they advertise it's value as something one
needs for betterment of self. People buy this product because of its projective
value. Everybody wants it, subconsciously. Subsciously, most everybody, views
TM outside their comfort circle.There is a major shift, again with TM under the
watch of David Lynch Foundation...a needed boost of attention. This too will
subside or flatten to a degree over time. Hopefully it will continue growing...
These are the steps of progress, the way knowledge unfolds over generations.
The 1% rule is limiting our reach, we want to reach beyond our expectations.
Why not? Corporations rely on impacting larger percentages for survival.If TM
were a nike shoe, the world would be enlightened.$250 dollars for a nike
shoe...are u kidding. Learn from the big boys.
MY BOOK: A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI... IS A CALL TO ALL LONG TERM
TM'ERS ...STEP UP TO THE PLATE, START WRITING YOUR BOOKS, BEGIN TO START
TELLING THE WORLD, OVER AND OVER: THIS TECHNIQUE IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST STRESS
REDUCTION. Yes the world is a pile of stress, out of control and at the same
time we may now begin speaking about greater genius, greater creativity, and
greater goodness in the light of science.
Envy or jealously may be the catalyst, which pushes the masses over the edge,
into desiring more than what they have. When the masses begin to see results
manifest in other people who do TM, they will wake to the realization; this is
my knowledge, not India's.It's not an easy task to explain greater genius,
resulting from TM. Start the process, it will unfold over time.
Certaintly, all will give thanks to the tradition of masters which protected
and passed on, this knowledge of life. The tradition's of this teaching should
be protected and maintained behind closed doors. Emphasis should be placed upon
western thought. As this knowledge spreads over time, if it is successful,
than Western man will re package this technique in the light of their language.
Only then will the masses take hold to the degree, it should.
I understand people on blogs love to pick apart, said logic. I am not attached
to these thoughts. I am just putting them out there for contemplation. Focus on
the reach, not the weakness of each word or phrase. What I write is not truth,
but relative impressions of the moment. Calling me an idiot, accomplishes
nothing. Do better than I; I am at the bottom of such a measure, called genius.
Even I, as dull as I am, can see imperfection.Dave Ryan
On Friday, September 25, 2015 9:52 PM, "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Why do you think it is a mistake in the TM message? Some people aren't going
to meditate, period, whether they understand its intent, or not. Even Maharishi
focused on very small groups to continue the world's evolution. There is no
need for 99% or more of the population to meditate. It is all about creating a
catalyst. "do less and accomplish more".
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <ryandave177@...> wrote :
"The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to
God, they would stand in line to learn it."
This is Dave Ryan, I started this thread.......Allow me to clarify my point
made in reference to the statement of my earlier post.What I said was...People
would line up at age 10to receivetheir key to unlock their God givenpotential
as humanbeings.You may suggest TM is a gateway to God but doing so would
require work, as you suggested, I agree with your theory. You said:
"I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for
mechanical and regular transcending"There in lies the problem... people outside
of the TM movement, view us as part of a group who think a certain way. This is
normal thinking, groups think as groups do. In a sense, a group, by it's nature
removes it's thinking away from the whole. Others outside of the group are not
included. We all unconsciously isolate each other's position by definition of
who or what we claim to be.
Belief or identification of self, sets us apart from each other. Groups draw
and groups alienate, by their nature.
So... people view TM as something outside of their own world, thats how they
think, TM people think a certain way and thats ok for them.
What the TM movement has failed to do: is communicate to the world what TM
really is.
The TM group should have said, I'm sorry, I'm your new neighbor, I found this
key on the street next to your driveway, is this your key? Of course they would
be delighted and excited to get their key back, they didn't have a spare key to
drive their vehicle, now locked in garage.
I am glad you have your key back and I am happy to have found it for you. You
must be excited, oh yes, that key opens my world to all that I am.
enjoy...doneWhen the movement speaks of TM, there is a personna of
ownership...we're giving u this technique and these are the conditions. twice a
day, only from us.
Once a person begins TM, then they know this knowledge is their's...it's what
they have always wanted. A key to fulfillment. Prior to that, people think this
knowledge of TM is outside of themselves...which it's not!!! TM and all that it
represents, is the people's knowledge, it's not owned by the TM org. The TM
people just found the owner's key, next to their driveway.
This awareness of ownership, is not known by the masses. If they knew what TM
was, they would tear down the doors to get back their possessions.
On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:46 PM, "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Oh yeah, there are lots of meditations - I used TM as an example because it is
mentioned in the book that began this discussion. The fellow who wrote it
mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in
line to learn it. I am interested in exploring the reasons that may not happen.
I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for
mechanical and regular transcending, and subsequent integration - It can make
life uncomfortable for awhile, dealing with whatever it uncovers. That's my
theory, so far.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
Not all disciplines emphasizepracticing meditation twice a day. Some just
emphasize using itas needed. It's good to step out of the shadow of TM and
it'snarrow definitions and find out what other paths do. I know, theymay want
to throw you out of the dome for that but other guruswill actually have you
visit saints, temples, gurus and ashrams. I think the restrictions were to keep
the money flow tight. Andof course the guilt aspect of you won't be supporting
world peaceif you don't at least meditate or fly twice a day. That's
avariation on the old "Master Game" called "sin."
On 09/23/2015 04:21 PM, olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]wrote:
Those could be useful adjustments, though you still havethe basic "problem"
with TM, of transcending twice a day-- If TM can be considered a technology, we
are used tohaving our tech delivered with no downside, except cost.TM
represents the benefits of tech; acceleration,expansion, ease, etc., but the
integration of it all, thework, must still get done, to ensure continued
benefits -like building our own TV, instead of buying one. Somepeople don't
want to do all the work. Also, because it isan intra-personal technology,
demonstrating the benefitscan be tricky, at best.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...>wrote :
Therewas a report on FFL about anIndian ayurvedic doctor who visited and
offered toteach correctmeditation. He maintained that TM was too "shotgun"and
therewere better ways using ayurveda to teach meditation. I've beensaying this
for years as the TM technique is prettymuch for pittaor rajasic types. That
might mean if you're a bitkapha TM mightbe fattening. Some of the Indian
gurus will observea person forseveral days and give a mantra appropriate for
theirtype.
On 09/23/2015 10:43 AM, olliesedwuz@...[FairfieldLife]wrote:
That covers a lot of ground.:-) I agree thatTM is amechanical means to
liberation, through theknowledge ofthe Veda, and that it can work as
described.It isbasically a tool for us to get out of thedullness youmentioned,
and get things moving again - weare at ourcore, transcendental beings and might
as wellget on withit. I also see Maharishi as a great messenger,respondingto
the need of the times, to bring out theknowledge thathe did, though I have no
need to revere him asapersonality.
As for TM being for everyone, it doesn'tappear to be.Many who learned in the
past have now set itaside. Theintellectual case could be made certainly thatit
is abenefit for everyone, but each of us makes upour mindsdifferently, and we
are often drawn tospiritual practicesfor karmic reasons, in addition to a
wellreasonedapproach.
Simply having the opportunity to find ateacher andlearn TM is enough, imo, and
that is now wellestablishedglobally.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,<ryandave177@...>wrote :
Youasked: what are the 3most important ideas in my book:
A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI;GENIUS ISEASY, BEHAVIOR'S A MESS
#1. The most important idea to me in mybook came,after I finished writing it,
as Iwitnessed what Iwrote.
I am still learning what I wrote, as Iread it againand again.
In chapter 5, titled: MAHARISHI'S GIFT.
In so many words, Maharishi had onejob...to inform,there lies within: your
potential,unrealizedintelligence and joy. Maharishi providedus with a keyto
unlock the pathway to what we alreadyown: ourbirthright.
So many people in the world believe orunconsciouslyassume this knowledge of
life, the vedas,themeditation process, all this is given,from Maharishi.Yes...
Maharishi has provided us with thekey to turnon the veh! icle. Who owns
thevehicle?...we all do.Knowledge is structured in consciousness,we
areremembering and tapping into what wealready possess.
If people really understood this reality,theywouldn't say, nah, not
interested,meditation is notmy style. People would line up at age 10to
receivetheir key to unlock their God givenpotential as humanbeings.
This is not Maharishi's knowledge, it isthe knowledgeof life. Thank God,
Maharishi has enoughpatience andheart to pursue the work.
#2. That genius seeps through cracks ofdullness. Inan instant, brilliance of
mind may surfacean idiot ofsorts. That is my subjective experience:as dull as
Iam, I am genius in moments as it comeswithout effort.
Not a lifetime of meditation, an instant,it arrivesand one realizes, I am more
than what Ithought, wascapable.
#3. That we drag old thought through freshfields oflost wonder. Starting with
chapter 3: realizing thathabits and conditions of mind, filter out,our love
oflife. Meditation is a tool for afreshening sense.
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