Why do you think it is a mistake in the TM message? Some people aren't going to meditate, period, whether they understand its intent, or not. Even Maharishi focused on very small groups to continue the world's evolution. There is no need for 99% or more of the population to meditate. It is all about creating a catalyst. "do less and accomplish more". ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <ryandave177@...> wrote :
"The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in line to learn it." This is Dave Ryan, I started this thread.......Allow me to clarify my point made in reference to the statement of my earlier post. What I said was...People would line up at age 10 to receive their key to unlock their God given potential as human beings. You may suggest TM is a gateway to God but doing so would require work, as you suggested, I agree with your theory. You said: "I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for mechanical and regular transcending" There in lies the problem... people outside of the TM movement, view us as part of a group who think a certain way. This is normal thinking, groups think as groups do. In a sense, a group, by it's nature removes it's thinking away from the whole. Others outside of the group are not included. We all unconsciously isolate each other's position by definition of who or what we claim to be. Belief or identification of self, sets us apart from each other. Groups draw and groups alienate, by their nature. So... people view TM as something outside of their own world, thats how they think, TM people think a certain way and thats ok for them. What the TM movement has failed to do: is communicate to the world what TM really is. The TM group should have said, I'm sorry, I'm your new neighbor, I found this key on the street next to your driveway, is this your key? Of course they would be delighted and excited to get their key back, they didn't have a spare key to drive their vehicle, now locked in garage. I am glad you have your key back and I am happy to have found it for you. You must be excited, oh yes, that key opens my world to all that I am. enjoy...done When the movement speaks of TM, there is a personna of ownership...we're giving u this technique and these are the conditions. twice a day, only from us. Once a person begins TM, then they know this knowledge is their's...it's what they have always wanted. A key to fulfillment. Prior to that, people think this knowledge of TM is outside of themselves...which it's not!!! TM and all that it represents, is the people's knowledge, it's not owned by the TM org. The TM people just found the owner's key, next to their driveway. This awareness of ownership, is not known by the masses. If they knew what TM was, they would tear down the doors to get back their possessions. On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:46 PM, "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Oh yeah, there are lots of meditations - I used TM as an example because it is mentioned in the book that began this discussion. The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in line to learn it. I am interested in exploring the reasons that may not happen. I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for mechanical and regular transcending, and subsequent integration - It can make life uncomfortable for awhile, dealing with whatever it uncovers. That's my theory, so far. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote : Not all disciplines emphasize practicing meditation twice a day. Some just emphasize using it as needed. It's good to step out of the shadow of TM and it's narrow definitions and find out what other paths do. I know, they may want to throw you out of the dome for that but other gurus will actually have you visit saints, temples, gurus and ashrams. I think the restrictions were to keep the money flow tight. And of course the guilt aspect of you won't be supporting world peace if you don't at least meditate or fly twice a day. That's a variation on the old "Master Game" called "sin." On 09/23/2015 04:21 PM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Those could be useful adjustments, though you still have the basic "problem" with TM, of transcending twice a day -- If TM can be considered a technology, we are used to having our tech delivered with no downside, except cost. TM represents the benefits of tech; acceleration, expansion, ease, etc., but the integration of it all, the work, must still get done, to ensure continued benefits - like building our own TV, instead of buying one. Some people don't want to do all the work. Also, because it is an intra-personal technology, demonstrating the benefits can be tricky, at best. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : There was a report on FFL about an Indian ayurvedic doctor who visited and offered to teach correct meditation. He maintained that TM was too "shotgun" and there were better ways using ayurveda to teach meditation. I've been saying this for years as the TM technique is pretty much for pitta or rajasic types. That might mean if you're a bit kapha TM might be fattening. Some of the Indian gurus will observe a person for several days and give a mantra appropriate for their type. On 09/23/2015 10:43 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: That covers a lot of ground.:-) I agree that TM is a mechanical means to liberation, through the knowledge of the Veda, and that it can work as described. It is basically a tool for us to get out of the dullness you mentioned, and get things moving again - we are at our core, transcendental beings and might as well get on with it. I also see Maharishi as a great messenger, responding to the need of the times, to bring out the knowledge that he did, though I have no need to revere him as a personality. As for TM being for everyone, it doesn't appear to be. Many who learned in the past have now set it aside. The intellectual case could be made certainly that it is a benefit for everyone, but each of us makes up our minds differently, and we are often drawn to spiritual practices for karmic reasons, in addition to a well reasoned approach. Simply having the opportunity to find a teacher and learn TM is enough, imo, and that is now well established globally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <ryandave177@...> mailto:ryandave177@... wrote : You asked: what are the 3 most important ideas in my book: A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI; GENIUS IS EASY, BEHAVIOR'S A MESS #1. The most important idea to me in my book came, after I finished writing it, as I witnessed what I wrote. I am still learning what I wrote, as I read it again and again. In chapter 5, titled: MAHARISHI'S GIFT. In so many words, Maharishi had one job...to inform, there lies within: your potential, unrealized intelligence and joy. Maharishi provided us with a key to unlock the pathway to what we already own: our birthright. So many people in the world believe or unconsciously assume this knowledge of life, the vedas, the meditation process, all this is given, from Maharishi. Yes... Maharishi has provided us with the key to turn on the veh! icle. Who owns the vehicle?...we all do. Knowledge is structured in consciousness, we are remembering and tapping into what we already possess. If people really understood this reality, they wouldn't say, nah, not interested, meditation is not my style. People would line up at age 10 to receive their key to unlock their God given potential as human beings. This is not Maharishi's knowledge, it is the knowledge of life. Thank God, Maharishi has enough patience and heart to pursue the work. #2. That genius seeps through cracks of dullness. In an instant, brilliance of mind may surface an idiot of sorts. That is my subjective experience: as dull as I am, I am genius in moments as it comes without effort. Not a lifetime of meditation, an instant, it arrives and one realizes, I am more than what I thought, was capable. #3. That we drag old thought through fresh fields of lost wonder. Starting with chapter 3: realizing that habits and conditions of mind, filter out, our love of life. Meditation is a tool for a freshening sense.
