"The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to
God, they would stand in line to learn it."
This is Dave Ryan, I started this thread.......Allow me to clarify my point
made in reference to the statement of my earlier post.What I said was...People
would line up at age 10to receivetheir key to unlock their God givenpotential
as humanbeings.You may suggest TM is a gateway to God but doing so would
require work, as you suggested, I agree with your theory. You said:
"I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for
mechanical and regular transcending"There in lies the problem... people outside
of the TM movement, view us as part of a group who think a certain way. This is
normal thinking, groups think as groups do. In a sense, a group, by it's nature
removes it's thinking away from the whole. Others outside of the group are not
included. We all unconsciously isolate each other's position by definition of
who or what we claim to be.
Belief or identification of self, sets us apart from each other. Groups draw
and groups alienate, by their nature.
So... people view TM as something outside of their own world, thats how they
think, TM people think a certain way and thats ok for them.
What the TM movement has failed to do: is communicate to the world what TM
really is.
The TM group should have said, I'm sorry, I'm your new neighbor, I found this
key on the street next to your driveway, is this your key? Of course they would
be delighted and excited to get their key back, they didn't have a spare key to
drive their vehicle, now locked in garage.
I am glad you have your key back and I am happy to have found it for you. You
must be excited, oh yes, that key opens my world to all that I am.
enjoy...doneWhen the movement speaks of TM, there is a personna of
ownership...we're giving u this technique and these are the conditions. twice a
day, only from us.
Once a person begins TM, then they know this knowledge is their's...it's what
they have always wanted. A key to fulfillment. Prior to that, people think this
knowledge of TM is outside of themselves...which it's not!!! TM and all that it
represents, is the people's knowledge, it's not owned by the TM org. The TM
people just found the owner's key, next to their driveway.
This awareness of ownership, is not known by the masses. If they knew what TM
was, they would tear down the doors to get back their possessions.
On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:46 PM, "olliesed...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Oh yeah, there are lots of meditations - I used TM as an example because
it is mentioned in the book that began this discussion. The fellow who wrote it
mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in
line to learn it. I am interested in exploring the reasons that may not happen.
I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for
mechanical and regular transcending, and subsequent integration - It can make
life uncomfortable for awhile, dealing with whatever it uncovers. That's my
theory, so far.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
Not all disciplines emphasizepracticing meditation twice a day. Some just
emphasize using itas needed. It's good to step out of the shadow of TM and
it'snarrow definitions and find out what other paths do. I know, theymay want
to throw you out of the dome for that but other guruswill actually have you
visit saints, temples, gurus and ashrams. I think the restrictions were to keep
the money flow tight. Andof course the guilt aspect of you won't be supporting
world peaceif you don't at least meditate or fly twice a day. That's
avariation on the old "Master Game" called "sin."
On 09/23/2015 04:21 PM, olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]wrote:
Those could be useful adjustments, though you still havethe basic "problem"
with TM, of transcending twice a day-- If TM can be considered a technology, we
are used tohaving our tech delivered with no downside, except cost.TM
represents the benefits of tech; acceleration,expansion, ease, etc., but the
integration of it all, thework, must still get done, to ensure continued
benefits -like building our own TV, instead of buying one. Somepeople don't
want to do all the work. Also, because it isan intra-personal technology,
demonstrating the benefitscan be tricky, at best.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...>wrote :
Therewas a report on FFL about anIndian ayurvedic doctor who visited and
offered toteach correctmeditation. He maintained that TM was too "shotgun"and
therewere better ways using ayurveda to teach meditation. I've beensaying this
for years as the TM technique is prettymuch for pittaor rajasic types. That
might mean if you're a bitkapha TM mightbe fattening. Some of the Indian
gurus will observea person forseveral days and give a mantra appropriate for
theirtype.
On 09/23/2015 10:43 AM, olliesedwuz@...[FairfieldLife]wrote:
That covers a lot of ground.:-) I agree thatTM is amechanical means to
liberation, through theknowledge ofthe Veda, and that it can work as
described.It isbasically a tool for us to get out of thedullness youmentioned,
and get things moving again - weare at ourcore, transcendental beings and might
as wellget on withit. I also see Maharishi as a great messenger,respondingto
the need of the times, to bring out theknowledge thathe did, though I have no
need to revere him asapersonality.
As for TM being for everyone, it doesn'tappear to be.Many who learned in the
past have now set itaside. Theintellectual case could be made certainly thatit
is abenefit for everyone, but each of us makes upour mindsdifferently, and we
are often drawn tospiritual practicesfor karmic reasons, in addition to a
wellreasonedapproach.
Simply having the opportunity to find ateacher andlearn TM is enough, imo, and
that is now wellestablishedglobally.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,<ryandave177@...>wrote :
Youasked: what are the 3most important ideas in my book:
A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI;GENIUS ISEASY, BEHAVIOR'S A MESS
#1. The most important idea to me in mybook came,after I finished writing it,
as Iwitnessed what Iwrote.
I am still learning what I wrote, as Iread it againand again.
In chapter 5, titled: MAHARISHI'S GIFT.
In so many words, Maharishi had onejob...to inform,there lies within: your
potential,unrealizedintelligence and joy. Maharishi providedus with a keyto
unlock the pathway to what we alreadyown: ourbirthright.
So many people in the world believe orunconsciouslyassume this knowledge of
life, the vedas,themeditation process, all this is given,from Maharishi.Yes...
Maharishi has provided us with thekey to turnon the veh! icle. Who owns
thevehicle?...we all do.Knowledge is structured in consciousness,we
areremembering and tapping into what wealready possess.
If people really understood this reality,theywouldn't say, nah, not
interested,meditation is notmy style. People would line up at age 10to
receivetheir key to unlock their God givenpotential as humanbeings.
This is not Maharishi's knowledge, it isthe knowledgeof life. Thank God,
Maharishi has enoughpatience andheart to pursue the work.
#2. That genius seeps through cracks ofdullness. Inan instant, brilliance of
mind may surfacean idiot ofsorts. That is my subjective experience:as dull as
Iam, I am genius in moments as it comeswithout effort.
Not a lifetime of meditation, an instant,it arrivesand one realizes, I am more
than what Ithought, wascapable.
#3. That we drag old thought through freshfields oflost wonder. Starting with
chapter 3: realizing thathabits and conditions of mind, filter out,our love
oflife. Meditation is a tool for afreshening sense.
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