I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
been creeping in for a long, long time.

Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
which is kind of my point about judgement.

And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
fighting and judging.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh <ci...@furangels.org> wrote:

>    I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
> to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
> but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I
> t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
> points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
> same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)
>
> ********
>
> ****I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
> dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
> this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
> than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
> compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
> all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
> focus will quickly be redirected.**
>
> **
> Cindy**
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)****
>
> ****
>
> I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
> life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
> because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
> *
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone <malon...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
>
> I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
> 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
> leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
> do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
> they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
> beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
> the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
> and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Lee Evans
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)****
>
>  ****
>
> Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
> get back on the "road". Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
> over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
> same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
> "cool down" by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
> rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
> those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
> a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
> a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
> and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
>
> If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
> discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
> with your issue.  Blessings.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!*****
>
>  ****
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Elizabeth Malone <malon...@yahoo.com>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)****
>
>  ****
>
> This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
> people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
> happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
> people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
> those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
> helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
> get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
> away from what brought all to the list in the first place.****
>
>
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