At 4:44 PM 09/19/02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: >Now, "undo" will correct the lyric displacement that occurs in steps 6 and >10, but I >submit that since lyric displacement does not happen on type into score, >it should >not happen after "edit lyric", either. The results of inserting or deleting >syllables in both modes should be exactly the same.
I agree that the two modes should be the same. More specifically, I think that inserting or deleting syllables in the Edit Lyrics should not result in lyric shift. This problem would be solved if every insertion or deletion in the Edit Lyrics box caused assignments to subsequent syllables to be incremented or decremented accordingly (as I recommended elsewhere). In the example you cite, that would make Edit Lyrics edits behave the same as Type in Score edits. All of this has nothing to do with undo, which behaves properly in all cases here. >Finally, using "edit lyrics" to clean up extraneous hyphens from a lyric >block has >results which I have not yet explored enough to understand completely. My >experience thus far suggests that in some cases, if there are two hyphens in >succession, with or without intermediate spaces, all but one of these can >be removed >from the lyrics block with no detrimental effect, and hyphens which prefix a >syllable without an intermediate space can also be readily removed with no ill >effect; but otherwise, the removal of hyphens using the "edit lyrics" block is >beyond my present capability to predict. Here, I'm at a disadvantage. In my usual method of lyric entry, I would never type consecutive hyphens, nor would I type a hyphen followed by a space. Furthermore, in my experimentation with Type-in-Score, I can't find a way to cause either of these to be created. Thus, I'm not sure why you'd ever have consecutive separators in the first place. But if you do, here's how it works. There are three characters which are treated as separators: space, hyphen, and carriage return. Any string of characters between separators is treated as a single syllable. Any number of consecutive separators is treated as a single separator. If that collection includes a hyphen, the separator will act like a single hyphen; if it does not, it will act like a single space. Consecutive hyphens are therefore redundant, and that's why you can safely remove all but one. Consecutive spaces are also redundant, and that why you can safely remove all but one. In a space-and-hyphen combination, the space is redundant. If you remove the space, it still acts like a hyphen; if you remove the hyphen, it will still behave like a space. If you delete a non-redundant hyphen or space, you have removed a separator. Without the separator, the text on either side combines into a single syllable. For example, if you had "do-re-mi", you have three syllables. If you then delete the first hyphen, "dore" becomes a single syllable. You have essentially deleted a syllable, and "mi" will be shifted to the left, just as if you had deleted "re" outright. I don't know if this answers your question, since I'm not sure what your question is. If you're syllables are out of order on account of how they were entered in type-in-score, that could introduce other problems if you make changes in the Edit Lyrics window. A hyphen on the score behaves properly only if the syllable which follows it in the Edit Lyrics window is also the syllable which follows it for the purposes of hyphenation in the score. When you use Type-in-Score, Finale tries to determine the proper order of syllables within the Edit Lyrics window. Under normal circumstances, it will guess right. It may get confused, however, by certain combinations of deletions and insertions. And of course it will get it wrong if you deliberately mislead it, by entering the syllables in separate verses, for example. mdl _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
