Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:41 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community
-- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching
band works which don't include saxophones?
David, are you even reading Tyler's posts? He wrote:
Sibelius ships with Kontakt Silver, which includes 20
sounds. You can use 8 at a time. This makes covering
large ensembles of any sort simply impossible.
I realize that -- that's why I'm a Finale user.
To turn your question right back at you, can anybody name any major
concert band or jazz band or marching band works which use only 8
instruments at at time?
I realize that -- that's why I'm a Finale user.
Finale GPO doesn't have saxophones, but at least the
Finale softsynth does (although you can NOT use these
concurrently - you'll have to record them separately
and mix them). To list the instruments Sibelius Silver
has that Finale GPO does not: tenor sax, voice oohs
and ahs, guitar. To list the instruments Finale GPO
has that Sibelius Kontakt Silver does not, piccolo,
english horn, bass clarinet, contra bassoon, tuba,
marimba, xylophone, harpsichord, solo violin, solo
viola, solo cello, solo bass, violin section, viola
section, cello section, bass section, tremolo strings
(solo and section). Neither library has soprano, alto,
or bari saxes.
So, major concert band or marching band works never include piccolo?
Xylophone?? Tuba???
Your point being? Yes they do include those instruments. but if the
playback can't include the sax section, how will a reasonable rendition
of a band work be made? The section you quoted specifically states that
the softsynth and GPO can't be used concurrently, so a band work will
require two different recordings which have to be mixed, or the band
work will have to resort to being recorded using the soundfont.
Also, if it's not on the list of 20 instruments Sib provides, you can't
get it in Sibelius AT ALL. You can get saxes in Finale by using
Finale's soundfont instead of GPO. It's not like you don't have options.
You can't use the soundfont playback at the same time as GPO -- read the
section you quoted, which specifically states that the soundfont and GPO
can't be used concurrently.
You then went on to pooh-pooh the fact that the included snare drum has
both left- and right-hand hits, which is actually *extremely important*
for marching band work.
Finale has been exceptionally generous with the number of GPO
instruments they are bundling with FIn2k6, and if something is missing,
you can always use the provided soundfont instead. In Sibelius you have
no such options.
Not at the same time as I'm trying to use GPO. So in this new upgrade
which includes the GPO, band works have to be recorded using the
soundfont. Great -- I can do that with Sibelius, too, so I'm not quite
sure what you're trying to point out to me. I've been using soundfonts
ever since my SoundBlaster AWE32 soundcard.
It's just flat-out ridiculous for you to keep insisting that Finale
playback is inferior to Sib's (and this is evidence of how Coda just
doesn't care about the educational market) when Sib only includes 20
instruments and only lets you play back eight of them simultaneously.
I'm pointing out that for band works to be played, complete with all
instruments, they'll have to be played through either a soundfont and
Finale's included soundfont player or through our already existing
playback hardware such as midi modules. The same as Sibelius has to do,
since, as you point out, their Kontakt player sucks for large ensemble work.
Playback for band works in both programs is the same, Finale's isn't
superior.
For orchestral works, or other works which don't include sax, Finale's
playback will probably be superior.
--
David H. Bailey
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