Hi jef, Nice to get a thoughtful and communicative reply.
Frustrations aside, friends I have made through this list remain a fulfilling part of my life, and I wouldn’t miss that for anything, even if the communication often comes through mutual frustration with Finale. Let’s just keep up the pressure on MM. I think Mark Adler is the go to guy. Chuck > On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:55 AM, SN jef chippewa <shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> > wrote: > > >> Hah! Jef, no you haven¹t, but I do appreciate >> that there may be some deserved sarcasm in your >> message. > > WHAAAAAAAAT?!?!?! never. not me, no way! > > >> Another thing that keeps me faithful, and >> perhaps blindly optimistic, is that I just do >> not want to learn a new piece of complex >> software. I have acquired a little sense of how >> Finale works ³under the hood² - enough so that I >> can usually beat it into submission when I have >> something to do that Finale is reluctant to do >> in a straightforward fashion. Sibelius doesn¹t >> seem to be better to me - (I could be wrong - >> don¹t really know), and I don¹t want to spend >> weeks learning new working methods in order to >> find out. > > i very seriously looked into changing software > and from mac to pc several years ago and decided > to stay with finale. there are some things i > will always champion in finale (such as the very > much underused metatools) but i have been over > the years CONSTANTLY frustrated by the incomplete > and insufficient implementation of "new" tools / > working methods. > > i am sure i am not the only one who stays with > finale "because of the kids". i have too much > time invested in it -- not to mention the value i > place on third-party finale-specific PIs -- to be > able to afford the divorce, economically and > emotionally. i.e. i am not always staying with > finale because i WANT to but rather because i > HAVE to. i had some hope in the past couple of > years but that was all destroyed with the latest > release. i'm being asked to pay money for > something finale fucked up in the last release > that is extremely valuable to me that worked in > the previous release. i'm really quite disgusted > -- perhaps more than normal, or perhaps it is > still just super fresh or it is accumulated -- by > their arrogance. > > >> Spreadbury¹s promised new software will not >> include chord symbols, and it will present the >> sam obstacle of learning new methods of >> controlling it. At this point, not an >> attractive alternative to me. >> >> Now - after considerable fanfare and what seems >> to me to have been a long wait, I am >> underwhelmed by some things in this release. >> And the printing screw up seems inexcusable. Of >> course, there are workarounds, the easiest of >> which may be to print from 2014.5. But to >> release a long awaited new version with a >> blatant flaw in an essential element of the >> workflow is certainly, at the very least, >> sloppy. Where were the beta testers? >> >> Of course, there are some obvious improvements >> in the new version. For those of us, like me, >> who do not hear written music flawlessly in our >> imagination, improved playback is helpful. And >> I imagine that speed improvements may prove to >> be good. > > speed improvements that bring it almost back (on > mac, according to various reports) to the F2012 > level? noone should pay for that. > > >> However - some other things for which there has >> been a substantial volume of support have been >> ignored for several years. MM admits that there >> have been many requests for the restoration of >> the old, colorful, configurable tool pallets - >> perhaps overly large for laptop users and >> relegated to the category of eye candy to >> others, but a useful visual aid for anyone with >> less than 20/20 vision. > > i don't mind accepting things like that -- eye > candy as you call it -- if there are parallel > improvements in the functionality that are > significant enough for me to shell out money i > work hard to make. but we must not forget things > like: it took 7 years (and versions!) for MM to > finally get around to fixing MAJOR flaws in > linked parts that made an otherwise revolutionary > tool in finale UTTERLY UNUSABLE for MANY users. > i'm not talking a niche group of users here. i > fully understand that some of my particular needs > and wishlist items may only be shared by a very > small portion of users. i get it, really, and > accept it. but when the functionality of main > features of an upgrade (linked parts in F2007) is > unusable to the majority of users, or when the > company "fixes" speed issues that we already paid > to downgrade to and they ask us again to pay to > "fix"... well, i have to call bullshit when i see > it. > > >> Like many others, I have requests that seem >> reasonable to me that continue to go unanswered. >> Mark Adler (always courteous and responsive) >> told me that, though he understood and agreed >> with me about how Finale is misdirected in how >> it handles the default spacing of tuplets with >> brackets, and that he also understood how it >> could be fixed, that there was not time to >> include it in this long waited and expensive >> release. That is a disappointment. (If your >> bracket hooks are larger than 12 evpus - a half >> space, then outside of staff vertical placement >> is inconsistent. I prefer .75 space hooks, but >> I must now choose between hooks that look small >> to me or constant fussing with the vertical >> placement of some tuplets where Finale places >> the bracket correctly but misaligns the number >> relative to the bracket, if the hooks are more >> than a half space long.) > > that is much more than a disaapointment. we > become so complacent to the software's > insufficiencies because each of us is perhaps > only affected a little bit by "some" of the > problems. but when you consider them all > together it is a sad and expoitative tragedy. > when was 2014 released? and 2014.5? and now we > fork out our money to them again for a(nother) > lackluster release? > > there is an expression in german that sums it up: selber schuld. > > pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. > > > >> So, perhaps not so optimistic at the moment. I >> will send this to Mark too, and while not naive, >> I do hope it has some salutary effect. >> >> >>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 12:14 AM, SN jef chippewa >> <shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote: >>> chuck, have i ever told you how much i admire your optimism? >>> >>>> ... this is a glaring bug and should get a quick repair. I will let >>>> them know how damaging this is. > > -- > > neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > [JAN 2016] v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5 and PC > http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html > > shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > new music notation + arts management + translation > [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland OR 97202 <chuckisraelsjazz.com> _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
