I agree that the definition of Enterprise is fuzzy here. It's a definition of how well something is supposed to work. It's technology agnostic (in theory only). Everything that interacts with the Flex could go in this group if the project specifications demand a certain level of application functioning.
I love the idea of a UI/UX group, but I think it needs to be defined in less general terms as well. If I'm trying to upgrade the UX of a datagrid, that might go in this group, but I imagine that this group wouldn't originally be intended for this purpose and might not have the expertise to solve this problem. This just needs to be more tightly defined, I'm guessing towards the designer side of the community/users. I think the actionscript group idea would have many cross postings. Imagine you're a coder who only uses actionscript. Every time you post you have to figure out which group to post to. When you get this one wrong people are going to get annoyed. Also, it may be hard to know if you're problem is actionscript based when you start. You may get an error in the framework which turns out to be because you have a complicated data algorithm in actionscript that screwed up first. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Drop actionscriptcoders and rename enterprise to RPC (or FlexRemoting or > something), and I'm in. 95% of funky flex question are actionscript > questions - unless it's an "advanced actionscript" list for things like VM > internals stuff, in which case case perhaps it just needs a name change. > > Everybody likes to think what they're doing is "enterprise". What we're > doing definitely counts (Oracle *loves* us), but we're all SOAP - we don't > use LCDS at all, so if people think enterprise is mainly for LCDS stuff > we're going to get confusion. > > Didn't know about ApolloCoders, I think I'll go subscribe :) > > Definitely like the idea of an announce list, it could be moderated or you > could subscribe to it as a daily / weekly digest. > > -Josh > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Bjorn Schultheiss < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Existing >> - FlexCoders >> - FlexComponents >> - ApolloCoders >> - FlexJobs >> >> New >> - EnterpriseFlex >> - FlexUIDesign >> - FlexAnnouncements >> - ActionscriptCoders >> >> ? >> >> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bjorn >> Schultheiss" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > > 1. 101 >> > Is creating a new group for this necessary or is flexcoders already >> > handling this? >> > >> > > > 2. Coding (AS3/MXML) >> > The name seems too abstract, what area are we targeting? >> > Is is to "show off" new ideas or syntax questions. >> > >> > > > 3. Design and UI ( Flash/Components/CSS/Skin) >> > Love it! Can we replace UI with UX : ) >> > >> > > > 4. Enterprise/Best Practices/Frameworks >> > Does this include WebOrb/Blaze/LCDS ? >> > >> > > > 5. AIR - not big yet, but definitely a separate group of folks >> > Apollocoders exists. not sure what the traffic is like. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, "Josh >> McDonald" <dznuts@> wrote: >> > > >> > > That's not a bad list of categories at all Anatole. >> > > >> > > It would be best if there's still some sort of (read-only?) >> > meta-list that >> > > shows all messages, and if it were smart enough that you could >> read the >> > > "all" list and replies went to the correct lists it'd be a pretty good >> > > common ground I think. I'm no mailing-list-guy though, so no idea if >> > that's >> > > feasible. >> > > >> > > -Josh >> > > >> > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky < >> > > anatole.tartakovsky@> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Matt, >> > > > >> > > > Splitting the last 500 topics in groups it would be: >> > > > 1. 101 >> > > > 2. Coding (AS3/MXML) >> > > > 3. Design and UI ( Flash/Components/CSS/Skin) >> > > > 4. Enterprise/Best Practices/Frameworks >> > > > 5. AIR - not big yet, but definitely a separate group of folks there >> > > > >> > > > Thank you >> > > > Anatole Tartakovsky >> > > > Farata Systems >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Matt Chotin <mchotin@> wrote:t >> > > > Practices/Frameworks >> > > > >> > > > I do think 12 is way too high a number BTW. Would recommend >> > capping at >> > > >> 5 absolute max. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On 6/16/08 8:28 PM, "Matt Chotin" <mchotin@<mchotin%40adobe.com>> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> Hey guys, >> > > >> >> > > >> If you think that splitting the lists is the right thing to do >> > for the >> > > >> larger community then I'm not going to stop you. I think we were >> > right in >> > > >> the past to recommend against the split, but I can see Anatole's >> > point that >> > > >> traffic has stagnated and we'd certainly like the community to >> > thrive. We'll >> > > >> certainly try to pay attention to as much as possible (not like >> > it's me >> > > >> doing much but you know some Adobe folks are quite active), but no >> > > >> guarantees on how it will go. The Adobe forums themselves are >> > definitely >> > > >> lacking, primarily because we can't access them via email. >> There is a >> > > >> project going on within Adobe to improve the experience >> > drastically, and we >> > > >> definitely intend to split forums there (and hopefully convince >> > everyone to >> > > >> come back over and move away from Yahoo Groups); but it's still a >> > number of >> > > >> months away at the earliest. I would hope that folks will >> > continue to help >> > > >> users of all levels, and we'll need moderators to handle whatever >> > new lists >> > > >> are created. >> > > >> >> > > >> Matt >> > > >> >> > > >> On 6/16/08 8:17 PM, "Bjorn Schultheiss" >> > <bjorn.mailinglists@<bjorn.mailinglists%40gmail.com>> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> I like the idea of splitting topics into different lists. >> > > >> I also like Anatole's suggestions for list types. >> > > >> >> > > >> Flexcoders has become to "over-bloated".. >> > > >> >> > > >> I would be in favour for looking at topics that I'm interested in. >> > > >> >> > > >> Perhaps this will get more of the experienced contributors back >> > on the >> > > >> list. >> > > >> >> > > >> Imagine if OSFlash had only one mailing list. >> > > >> >> > > >> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> > > >> <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com><flexcoders% >> 40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto: >> > > >> flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com >> > <flexcoders%2540yahoogroups.com>><mailto: >> > > >> flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%2540yahoogroups.com>> , >> > "Anatole >> > > >> Tartakovsky" >> > > >> <anatole.tartakovsky@> wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Dear All, >> > > >> > Flexcoders has huge problem. In the last 15 month it is very much >> > > >> > stagnant in terms of message count and participation. It is not >> > > >> growing and >> > > >> > dropping members as fast as it gets them. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I believe this group has overgrown the optimal size about a year >> > > >> ago and >> > > >> > needs to be divided in more focused smaller groups. My mail box >> > get 100+ >> > > >> > messages a day on all kinds of topic - unless I can spend 30+ >> > > >> minutes that >> > > >> > day to sort them out it goes directly into garbage can. Most >> people >> > > >> in the >> > > >> > company unsubscribed from it 18 month ago. Most of veteran >> > > >> developers I know >> > > >> > either unsubscribed or stopped looking in this mess greatly >> > > >> diminishing the >> > > >> > quality of the responses. As a result group mostly host new >> > > >> developers and >> > > >> > looses most of experienced ones after very short period of time. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Further delay of breaking this group hinders usefulness of the >> > group >> > > >> for all >> > > >> > of us as now we have significant amount of users that are being >> > > >> forced out. >> > > >> > I believe it is time to archive flexcoders and branch (12?) >> > targeted new >> > > >> > user groups >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I would like to see people suggesting user subgroups and WiKi >> > topics for >> > > >> > Flex community site to go with each group - providing best >> > posts in more >> > > >> > systematic way. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I suggest the following Yahoo groups ( created couple for your >> > > >> > convenience). >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Flex101: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flex101/ >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<flex101%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <flex101%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> flex101%40yahoogroups.com <flex101%2540yahoogroups.com>><mailto: >> > > >> flex101%40yahoogroups.com <flex101%2540yahoogroups.com>> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Subscribe: >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <flex101-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com> >> <flex101-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> >> > >> flex101-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com<flex101-subscribe%2540yahoogroups.com >> > >> > > >> >> > >> ><mailto:flex101-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com<flex101-subscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> <flex101-subscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<flex101-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> >> <flex101-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> >> > >> flex101-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com<flex101-unsubscribe% >> 2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> >> > >> ><mailto:flex101-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com<flex101-unsubscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> <flex101-unsubscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > List owner: >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <flex101-owner%40yahoogroups.com> >> <flex101-owner%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> flex101-owner%40yahoogroups.com <flex101-owner%2540yahoogroups.com >> > >> > > >> >> > >> ><mailto:flex101-owner%40yahoogroups.com<flex101-owner%2540yahoogroups.com> >> <flex101-owner%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > EnterpriseFlex: >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/enterpriseflex/ >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Post message: >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <enterpriseflex%40yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> enterpriseflex%40yahoogroups.com >> <enterpriseflex%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> >> > >> ><mailto:enterpriseflex%40yahoogroups.com<enterpriseflex%2540yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Subscribe: >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<enterpriseflex-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> >> > >> enterpriseflex-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com<enterpriseflex-subscribe% >> 2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> >> > >> ><mailto:enterpriseflex-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com<enterpriseflex-subscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex-subscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<enterpriseflex-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> >> > >> enterpriseflex-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com<enterpriseflex-unsubscribe% >> 2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> >> > >> ><mailto:enterpriseflex-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com<enterpriseflex-unsubscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex-unsubscribe%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > List owner: >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<enterpriseflex-owner%40yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex-owner%40yahoogroups.com><mailto: >> > > >> >> > >> enterpriseflex-owner%40yahoogroups.com<enterpriseflex-owner% >> 2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> >> > >> ><mailto:enterpriseflex-owner%40yahoogroups.com<enterpriseflex-owner%2540yahoogroups.com> >> <enterpriseflex-owner%2540yahoogroups.com> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > FlexUI >> > > >> > FlexDesign >> > > >> > >> > > >> > FlexSDK >> > > >> > FlexDeployment >> > > >> > >> > > >> > FlexFlash >> > > >> > >> > > >> > FlexFrameworks >> > > >> > >> > > >> > FlexBestPractices >> > > >> > >> > > >> > EnterpriseFlex: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > FlexBlazeDS: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > weborb: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Sincerely, >> > > >> > Anatole Tartakovsky >> > > >> > Farata Systems >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for >> > thee." >> > > >> > > :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald >> > > :: 0437 221 380 :: josh@ >> > > >> > >> >> > > > -- > "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." > > :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald > :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
