On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:37:18 -0500, Matthew wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Unfortunately, the GPL doesn't account for emotion. For those who > have met RMS, interpersonal relationships don't really fit... Certain > rights are gained, others are given up. > > The best we can hope for is that they are interested in being a part > of a community, the worst we should expect is that they add no value > and sell it as a package. ..in this case I think we have an excellent opportunity to stand up for the GPL by "enforcing it", copyright law and criminal law. ;o) > I don't believe that FG I structured in a way to be able to receive > funds as an organization, and consequently we can only hope that they > will be a good community member and sponsor and assist where they can. > > If people want me to slueth around and find some more info and ..by all means go ahead. ;o) > possibly reach out, please advise. ..here I'd like the copyright owners to weigh in, me, I recommend hiring a lawyer for this job, to make sure we get it _right_. ;o) ..given http://www.idbproductions.com/Products/ and http://idbproductions.com/catalog/ this is _not_ just us, so I'd have Harald Welte and the guys at http://gpl-violations.org/ weigh in with advice on how to proceed. I cc this there. ..playing with dig, jwhois and a web browser and the names I find, it's _amazing_ how I get thrown back to: http://idbproductions.com/catalog/ ;o) > Regards... Matthew > > > On 11/20/08, Tatsuhiro Nishioka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For clarifying my position, I don't care if they sell flightfear. > > But I do care if that affects our project in either technically or > > emotionally. According to some threads or posts in the list and the > > forum, it seems that many developers and users do not like the > > current situation. > > > > I guess the problem is they don't make any communication with us > > including contribution. I do welcome some third parties sell > > flightgear if they are friendly and hopefully make a contribution. > > Needless to say they need to observe the GPL thingies. > > > > You can pack everything into either DVD or thumb drive and sell it > > as long as it doesn't brake any legal issue. > > > > But... For me it's more on human relation issue. As long as they are > > friendly and actively open to us, then we can collaborate and make > > flightfear better from both open source and bussiness aspects. > > > > I think there is still much room in improving the usability, > > functionality, and quality of flightgear. If marchants can collect > > such needs and give some offers and feedback (preferably in > > implementation, but just an idea is OK) to flightgear community, > > that'll be super good. > > > > Look forward to seeing reply from them, > > > > Tat > > > > p.s. > > Sorry for full quote. I'm writing on iPhone. this fun tool is > > missing copy-past and cut-paste things. > > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:16 AM, "Matthew Tippett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> One thing to be *very* careful of is assuming that flightgear has > >> some absolute right to control what happens downstream. If this > >> company is honoring it's responsibilities under the GPL, there is > >> nothing that the FG community can do to prevent it happening. > >> > >> The GPL enshrines those rights to the recipient, and by extension > >> you give up the right of control as an author when you allow code > >> to be distributed under the GPL. > >> > >> The main thing that the GPL prevents is 'flightsimpro' creating a > >> flightsim that has unique features and linking it into the the main > >> binary and preventing the release of that. But if the developer is > >> keeping their stuff separate (say an advanced-clean room > >> implementation of terrasync using different scenery, or a bridge > >> to a different flight sim network), again they have done nothing > >> wrong by the GPL (distribution of aggregations is a confusing > >> area). > >> > >> Contact with this company would clarify most of this quickly. > >> > >> (A parasite isn't always violating the GPL - a lot of X and kernel > >> developers call Ubuntu a parasite since they don't contribute a > >> proportional amount upstream.) > >> > >> Regards... Matthew > >> > >> > >> On 11/20/08, Stuart Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Curtis Olson wrote: > >>>> Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into > >>>> the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link > >>>> here to get some more eyes on it. > >>>> > >>>> http://flight-aviator.com/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> One way to discourage this sort of thing would be to include > >>> "www.flightgear.org" prominently in the startup screens, in the > >>> same way that we include "initializing sub-systems", > >>> "initializing scenery". > >>> > >>> Possibly with an added message along the lines of "Welcome to > >>> FlightGear, > >>> the free open source flight simulator." > >>> > >>> That would force the rip-off merchants to at least compile the > >>> code, rather than simply replacing some .pngs! > >>> > >>> -Stuart > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> --- > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > >>> challenge > >>> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win > >>> great > >>> prizes > >>> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > >>> the world > >>> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Flightgear-devel mailing list > >>> Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > >> --- > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > >> challenge > >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win > >> great prizes > >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > >> the world > >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Flightgear-devel mailing list > >> Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > > challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin > > SDK & win great prizes > > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > > the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Flightgear-devel mailing list > > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... 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