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From: Bertrand Clavez
To: Fluxlist
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: New subscription process not
nice René Girard's book (in french le Bouc émisaire) is
worth reading (as many of Girard's books) but in fact what was underlined by the
reaction I had, as I think it was the case with one of Tamas' lasts posts, is
not the question of expelling this one or the other ( it became obvious at
one point that the Death Monster had to be expelled), it's the way it have
been done: Tamas proposed to vote the expulsions (as he always asked for before
K. exclusion's in similar cases, as for Genius 2000 if I remember well) and note
to leave to a solely decider, even someone as ponderate and balanced as Allen
is.
This method has some obvious advantages: first, the
decision is collective, so noone is to become the scapegoat for having taken it,
second, it maintains a strong concern between the list members on what's
happening on the list, third it avoids opinions to degenerate into personal
flames by the collective control allowed through the vote.
The list owners/administrators could easily count
the votes (yes/no/abstention) and give the result, as anyone else on the list
could do.
I'm sure that the provocative and critical of
expressing himself didn't facilitate the understanding of Tamas' opinion, but I
would like to say that Tamas lives in Bulgary, is from a generation that endured
the soviet socialism and the "democratic centralism"(which, as everyone knows,
was anything but democratic), and have been active as an artist under these
conditions. This is no excuse, but somehow, explains his attachment to a
democratic way of taking decision.
Why not try to develop his idea for the next
exclusion(s)?
Bertrand
BTW, where is Joseph Y(v)es? I haven't read
anything from him since K.'s exclusion. Did he resigned, or was
expelled too? A listmember I've met a few days ago, thought K./Y(v)es could
be the same person, playing a game on the list. Any clue about this possibility?
Joseph, if you're still here, please, say something...
And Armadill0 (apparently a resurgence of the Death
monster, from the style used) was he expelled too? I missed that one, if his
expulsion post came to the list.
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