On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 07:37:56PM -0600, Brandon wrote:
>
> > Not true. If they capture the gateway, then they get a list of all the
> > gateways contacts, most of which would be the clusters members due to the
> > frequent contact they would have with it.
>
> The goal is to avoid giving node IPs to Them. If you shutdown a normal
> node or a gateway node and don't take its IP list (as in the case of
> MediaEnforcer) then it is the same. One node down and you don't gain any
> information. If you shut down a normal node or a gateway node and steal
> its IP list (as in the case of hypothetical China) then it is the
> same. You get a list of other nodes.
Yeah, and as I keep arguing, that makes clusters useless for what you
keep pushing them for. The mediaenforcer attack is resisted by PK (as
well as it can be), and the rest you just have to let go because theres
nothing you can do about it (without breaking Freenet).
>
> Obviously this is still not acceptable. Someone needs to come up with a
> solution so that nodes do not betray the addresses of other nodes. I don't
> have this figured out yet, but then I don't claim to have everything
> figured out.
>
> But I still don't see why you think it makes node runners *easier* to
> discover.
Because you get a nice collected list of the dissidents on the Gateways
node, where you don't in normal Freenet. You just get a bunch of
unrelated nodes.
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