On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > <snip> > Certainly there is a human tendency to blather on, to speculate, to > pontificate (otherwise blogs and mail lists would never have > emerged?) > about that which we do not understand, but just because we understand > something doesn't prevent us from considering it's larger implications > and context. > <snip>
Good points, Steve. My distinction between "argue" and "grasp" was that amongst math folks you'll hear what sounds like arguing but is instead striving to grasp a difficult point. It is *not* arguing about if math "works" or "is right". And, to be absurdly concrete, consider these threads (using Nabble): 21 Mathematics and Life - Gregory Chaitin Lectures 6 Re: Friam Digest, Vol 61, Issue 16 13 Mathematics and Music 15 Mentalism and Calculus 2 Re: Friam Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 47 Mathematics and Music 1 MentalismAndCalculus 3 Mentalism and Calculus 8 Mentalism and Calculus ---------------------------------------------- 116 Total messages ..I may have missed a few. That's a LOT of chatter. Hence Doug and I becoming confused .. it was pretty hard to follow. That, added to our not responding correctly to keep threads combined, made it basically impossible. I'd prefer a few "grasp" sessions rather than philosophic debates. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org