I'm guessing I would have liked your dad, Steve. --Doug
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > Doug - > > On a related note, now would appear to be an excellent time to start a > church, impose mandatory weekly attendance upon the faithful, and charge > $20 a head at the door each week. > > Clearly you haven't been to FRIAM (in person) lately... you are in arrears > on your dues! We'll take it out of the royalties on your eBook. > > Tangenting again... my parents were both of Applachian stock where those > who "had Christ" used their bibles to access him without benefit of a > church or preacher. > > My mother liked to go to church Christmas and Easter and I think the last > (and only?) time my father came with her, when the collection plate came > by, he reached in, then pulled his hand back empty and said "no thank you, > I think I have enough" and passed it on. > > - Steve > > > --Doug > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson < > nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Yes but ….. >> >> >> >> I didn’t believe Watergate the first few times I heard about it, either. >> “You aren’t telling me that a president that was going to win an election >> in a walk actually sent Burglars into the Democratic Headquarters?” I just >> could not believe that they could be so stupid. I fell for Colin Powell’s >> thing at the UN; my wife didn’t buy it for a moment. I have to say, that >> in most contexts, I believe in gullibility. I think a little bit of >> gullibility is the best program for getting on in life. But I have been >> known to carry it too far. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas >> Roberts >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:39 PM >> >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that >> the TED Controversy is Sending >> >> >> >> There are a surprising number of them on facebook, Nick. To nobody's >> great surprise, I guess. >> >> >> >> --Doug >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson < >> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> Doug, >> >> >> >> Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day … an otherwise >> perfectly sensible neighbor … and I was left standing in the street with my >> jaw hanging open. What do you say when somebody your sort of like, >> touches you on the upper arm, points skyward and says, “Call me nuts, but >> ….” >> >> >> >> I guess, “You’re nuts!” >> >> >> >> N >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas >> Roberts >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:14 PM >> >> >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that >> the TED Controversy is Sending >> >> >> >> Well shoot, as long as we're talking about irrational belief sets, how >> about if we throw chemtrails into the mix. There is a not insignificant >> segment of the US population who fervently believe that "they" are >> poisoning us, on purpose. But only on those days that the jets leave con >> ... er ... chemtrails. No proof necessary, just *look* at those chemtrails. >> >> >> >> --Doug >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ron Newman <ron.new...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> But you're missing the point.: *something* is working for them if they >> believe it is, and is not for you or anyone who doesn't believe it is. The >> question is how does it work? No, that's not good enough, because it too >> easily leads back to premature assumptions. The question is: how can >> placebo be improved. Not set aside but improved. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, glen <g...@ropella.name> wrote: >> >> Barry MacKichan wrote at 04/04/2013 10:29 AM: >> >> > I've heard it is very effective, but only for a time until the >> > patient discovers it is a placebo. Call it the Lincoln effect ("You >> > can fool all of …."). >> >> A friend of mine announced that she's now getting acupuncture for her >> chronic back and neck pain. There's a zealot in our local CfI >> (http://www.centerforinquiry.net/) group who continuously and loudly >> shouts about acupuncture being as quackish as homeopathy. (Seriously... >> is there anything as quackish as homeopathy?) The tiny amount of time >> I've spent looking into acupuncture indicates that it's mostly nonsense >> with some slight possibility of truth in regard to certain _pressure_ >> points and nerve clusters. But nothing that an evidence-based masseuse >> couldn't achieve more effectively. >> >> But I kept my mouth shut and let her talk about how well it's worked so >> far. My dad also used acupuncture for a racquetball associated injury. >> He claimed it worked very well... [ahem] ... even better than his >> chiropractor. I didn't want to introduce any doubt that might interfere >> with her placebo effect. >> >> Interestingly, I was trying to apply the Golden Rule in a post-hoc >> analysis of my lack of action. Would I want someone to burst my placebo >> effect bubble? If so, when? Immediately? Or perhaps after some window >> of time as the placebo effect decays and it bumps up against the hard >> biophysical/physiological limits? >> >> >> -- >> =><= glen e. p. ropella >> >> I can't get no peace until I get into motion >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ron Newman, Founder >> MyIdeatree.com <http://www.Ideatree.us> >> The World Happiness Meter <http://worldhappinessmeter.com> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Doug Roberts >> d...@parrot-farm.net* >> >> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> >> >> * >> 505-455-7333 - Office >> 505-672-8213 - Mobile* >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Doug Roberts >> d...@parrot-farm.net* >> >> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> >> >> * >> 505-455-7333 - Office >> 505-672-8213 - Mobile* >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > > > > -- > *Doug Roberts > d...@parrot-farm.net* > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > * > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-672-8213 - Mobile* > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> * <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
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