i do see that point, and I never said i would not support jaws if that meant a huge money loss. all i said is that, ideologically, this is not the best approach. -----Mensagem original----- De: "Bryan Peterson" <bpeterson2...@cableone.net> Para: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Data: Terça, 4 de Janeiro de 2011 08:30 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] BGT and Screen Reader API's
HOnestly it's because it's probably all most of them know. Agencies for the blind ere in the US don't always come out and tel their clients that there are other options available. And these agencies are contracted with Freedom Scientific to teach and promote JAWS. And you would probably lose a great deal of money by refusing to support JAWS in your games. Even though people are drifting away it's still the screen reader most people use and are familiar with. We are the Knights who saaaaay...Ni! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mauricio Almeida" <mauricio...@uol.com.br> To: <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BGT and Screen Reader API's well, we will have to agree to disagree. I personally would not really care if the jaws people didn§t buy my product just because i refused to support a bad product on my production. I'd worry on investing on the large NVDA community, for instance, which is way more flexible. supposing fs does not change their policys, what is the reason people still use a screen reader who's developer do not listen to customers? -----Mensagem original----- De: "Bryan Peterson" <bpeterson2...@cableone.net> Para: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Data: Terça, 4 de Janeiro de 2011 07:54 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] BGT and Screen Reader API's Actually no, you couldn't support just one screen reader and get away with it. The users of the unsupported ones would chew you out. I do happen to feel that JAWS sucks but if I made a game that supported only Window-Eyes I'd be chewed out for playing favorites. And I'm sure people have been trying to get FS to change their policies for years with no success. We are the Knights who saaaaay...Ni! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mauricio Almeida" <mauricio...@uol.com.br> To: <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BGT and Screen Reader API's so you are saying: jaws sucks, window eyes do not, but i cant only support the good screen reader for what i am trying to do? I disagree. you can support only one, indeed. and in fact, this owuld be a reason for the complainers to actually try to get fs t change its policy. -----Mensagem original----- De: "Bryan Peterson" <bpeterson2...@cableone.net> Para: "Philip Bennefall" <phi...@blastbay.com>,"Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Data: Terça, 4 de Janeiro de 2011 07:32 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] BGT and Screen Reader API's That could pose a problem. Window-Eyes doesn't do that but then you couldn't just support Window-Eyes. And from what I've heard it's a pain in the arse to get JAWS to not hog the keyboard. We are the Knights who saaaaay...Ni! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Bennefall" <phi...@blastbay.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BGT and Screen Reader API's > Hello Kai, > > My main issue with this is not how to implement the functionality, that is > simple enough. Rather it is the fact that jaws, as the only screen reader > in the bunch as far as I'm aware, blocks keyboard input when DirectInput > is being used. I need to use DirectInput for keypresses in BGT as it is by > far the fastest and most reliable way to work with the keyboard on > Windows. So this leaves me with a bit of a problem. If Jaws is running, > the screen reader API calls would work fine but the keyboard wouldn't. If > Jaws is shut down or put to sleep, the API calls would not work but the > keyboard would. Do you see the problem? > > Feel free to get on the forum with this discussion and we will see what > some other users there think. > > Kind regards, > > Philip Bennefall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kai" <kaixi...@sbcglobal.net> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:02 AM > Subject: [Audyssey] BGT and Screen Reader API's > > > Greetings list. > > anyone know if BGT has any provisions for interacting with the various > screen reader API's? I would, for instance, like to replace a lot of the > SAPI TTS events with direct Jaws speech output, since Eloquence is about > 200 > times faster than SaPI. > > If not, anyone know if this will be slated for a future release? > > Kai > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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