Hi Thomas,
I don't understand the point though of only making things harder for
yourself if the tools are available to make it simpler? It's almost like
making your own game engine for one game and then completely rewriting it
for the second game just because you want to use a more advanced method or
concept. It's like wanting to program your own MIDI messages instead of
using a keyboard and sound module just because you want to understand how
MIDI works in order to get the best from it. It's only the same thing in the
end up.
Just my opinion.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my ramblings about programming: why I use vb
Hi Damien,
For the most part that's true. Although, there are alternative's to
DirectX. If I wanted ogg, mp3, and wma support using C# .net or VB
.net all I'd have to do is use FMOD Ex instead of DirectSound or
XAudio2. Since this is a freeware product a developer could use FMOD
Ex for free, and it doesn't require a commercial or shareware type
license.
However, for the most part I agree with you. While I don't have a
problem with VB .net or C# .net myself I realise there are others who
don't wish to use it for one reason or another. The main one being
that the .net runtime environment is extremely huge, and installing
third-party components can become a headache. If you install this or
that component in the wrong order you can break compatibility and have
to uninstall and reinstall everything correctly. This is probably one
of the most frustrating aspects to using .net based software. However,
there are plenty of good thingsabout .net as well.
As for Ken's desire not to use BGT I think I understand his point of
view. For him he wants to actually program a game from scratch, get a
feel for how the code works, rather than depending on tools like BGT
that hides all the low level workings of DirectX, Sapi, etc and gives
you a nice easy to use wrapper. BGT is nice, but if you want to
actually know how all that stuff really works you need something else,
a real programming language, to get down to the nitty-gritty of the
mechanics etc.
Cheers!
On 1/30/11, Damien Pendleton <dam...@x-sight-interactive.net> wrote:
Hi Ken,
You say others can work on it. This is the exact problem we have. Other
people can't work on it if they do not have any of the .net development
platforms. I am one of these and have BGT, which is fine for all of my
development needs. It is portable, it is cheap, and it is packed with
nice
game features that even DirectX cannot compare with. For example adding
ogg
support to DirectX is yet another dependency and another farce. However
with
BGT, it is very easy, as it is integrated into the engine. Encryption and
packing features is another nice advantage. Granted this is not required
for
an open source game, but for compiled games it is easier to encrypt and
package sounds than it ever would have been for VB or C directly, let
alone
the .net platforms.
That's your main problem with a community based game. Not everyone might
have the development platform it is designed for. I want BGT, you don't
have
it. You want .net or vb6, I don't have it. Someone else might even want
to
convert it to python, which neither of us might have. Simply because all
the
developers are experienced in different languages makes a community open
source game hard to maintain, simply because all the developers will want
it
translating into their language so that they can help to maintain it,
which
gives us several different executables.
Regards,
Damien.
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