Hi Tom.
The odd thing is I don't think that is! true when it comes to paragraphs and
line breaks, and indeed I tend to put them in myself, sinse they do! still
break things up when using a screen reader.
Indeed that's why all the entries on audiogames.net, though they don't have
tabulation do have headings, paragraphs and line breaks, and of course stuff
like lists are still useful with a screen reader, hence why there are quite
a few of those too.
Beware the grue!
dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Dark,
Sure. Although, keep in mind we are also looking at this from a purely
blind-centric mindset. I agree that usually it isn't necessary for
someone writing a program for themselves, code they have no intention
of sharing, to just forget about professional standards in formatting
whatever. If we can't see it the entire concept of properly formatting
code doesn't always serve us to the same purpose it does a sighted
user.
That said, I'm sure if I was fully sighted, programming software, then
I'd appreciate formatting more because I could glance at my screen and
see exactly at what scope or level I am in my program.I could actually
use formatting as a programming aid/tool and therefore it would have
some personal use to me. Where as it is right now I have to enable the
speaking of tab indentions to check if my coding is properly formatted
rather than checking my formatting to the purpose it is suppose to
serve in the first place.
Which is similar to your discussion of your thesis. At this point you
personally have no need for special formatting because Hal will read
everything the same weather it looks professionally written or is
extremely sloppy. However, for a sighted user its a different
experience because they expect titles to be centered, paragraphs to be
indented, and a double line break between paragraphs because its
easier to read and locate text with a single glance.
All I am really saying here is the way we handle printed text and a
sighted person handles that same printed text is different. A sighted
person's eye is drawn to centered text where if we want to find the
next chapter we just use a find command. An extra line break between
paragraphs makes it easier to visually skip between paragraphs at a
glance where when using screen readers it doesn't really make a
difference if there is a line break there or not. 'We, as blind users,
often give up or reject things like visual formatting simply because
it has no application or use to us personally. We are resigned to
formatting if and when we have to turn it into our professor, boss, or
someone else who requires that you dot all your i's and cross all your
t's so to speak.
Cheers!
On 2/17/12, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Hi Tom.
That might be business practice but to be honest it strikes me rather as
overkill most of the time.
For instance, I certainly don't bother adding indenting or other
formatting
to my thesis and probably won't until it comes time to prepare it for
printing and formal submition, despite the fact I obviously expect my
tutor
to read draughts of it.
nor would I add such stuff to anything I was writing, fiction, males or
whatever unless it was an amazingly formal document such as a statement
in a
will, or one of the medical or legal documents my brother or my mum hve
to
deal with (I know they both use formatting for that purpose).
Generally I put in standard paragraphs, and if I expect the thing to be
overly public I'll spellcheck, but that's mostly as far as I will go,
indeed
people I've had dealings with seem to be okay with that, even down to
university professors (none of my masters or degree essays or
dissertation
had tabulation, just writing in word and spellchecking, nnor was it ever
suggested they should do).
So, putting in tabs seems rather to me like dressing in full black tie
and
tale coat when a bog standard suit and tie would do.
Though actually less so, sinse I rather like wearing my tale coat, even
more
than wearing my tux, so tend to wear it if I can possibly get away with
it
:D.
Beware the grue!
dark.
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