I agree with you, dark. Always wanted to make him pay for the crimes against accessibility! Lol.
-----Original Message----- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 15 March 2012 00:16 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi tom. that all sounds pretty dire, I especially ahte the sound of the columnized views, but we'll see. Once again though this is the trend of having information all on screen rather than accessible through separate areas. i hope myself there will be the opportunity to put it into lists or some other change to stop it looking as stupid, ---- and whoever thought of ribbons needs hanging on the end of one and punching for several days Imho. yes, I am biased I freely admit, but ribbons just annoy me, sinse they are so damn illogical. hopefully though sinse windows 7's lack of customizability in the interface was a major turn off microsoft will actually listen on this one and offer some alternatives, but we'll have to see. Otherwise I might be heading off to find bill gates with a very big hammer, ---- though I suspect I'll have to wait in the kew, sinse I imagine lots of people are looking for bill gates with very big hammers :d. "hay bill, like windows? ---- maybe your head needs a new context window opening! let me pin this to your task bar!" :d. Beware the Grue! Dark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly > > Hi Dark, > > Well, yes and no. Certainly I think UI Automation, the improved Sapi > voices, improved speech recognition in the Windows 8 consumor beta are > good things However, the new user interface is so radically different from > XP, Vista, Windows 7, etc that a lot of blind Windows users, especially > those who like XP, are going to absolutely hate Windows 8 because of the > new interface even though Microsoft is working hard to provide equal > access to the OS and its pretty accessible out of the box already. > > For example, the start menu as you know it is totally gone. Instead when > you log into Windows 8 you land on a start menu with program groupes tiled > in columns across the screen. This is perfectly fine for a mouse user who > can point to the program group and click on it, but if you have to figure > out what row and column a program is in it can be a bit of a pain access > wise as there is no list view or tree view structure as in prior versions > of Windows. When looking at files folders, etc in explorer they are also > tiled the same way and its going to take blind users a while to get use to > looking for things since they are arranged in a table like view rather > than a vertical list. > > Plus a lot of things in Windows 8 just don't work the way they did in Win > 7 and earlier. In XP if you press the context key you get a vertical list > of menu options like Open, Save, Print, etc. Under Windows 8 if you press > the context key you get a context screen with options tiled from left to > right. Instead of using up and down arrow you have to scroll left and > right with the left and right arrow keys. The first time I saw that it > threw me for a loop, because I wasn't expecting things to change so > radically. > > Finally, ribbons are a standard part of the Windows interface, and despite > talk of Microsoft removing them I sincerely doubt it. Almost all the > programs in Windows 8 have ribbons instead of menus. Windows Explorer, > Internet Explorer, Wordpad, Windows Mail, Windows Media player, you name > it all have ribbons. If you hate ribbons then you aren't going to like > Windows 8 at all from a user interface perspective. > > However, that said if you are interested in an overview of what's changed > I highly recommend you listen to a demonstration done by GW Micro > http://www.gwmicro.com > at this years convention. I think it will give you and everyone an idea of > what Windows 8 has in store for us both good and bad. The link to the > podcast is right on the main page. > > Cheers! > > On 3/14/2012 4:20 AM, dark wrote: >> Hi Tom. >> >> it might actually be then that microsoft are doing right in win8 what >> they missed in win7? sinse certainly I've not heard these things about >> win7. >> >> Whether however they continue with support for these changes and if they >> appear in none beta win 8 (I mean, I heard win7 was supposed to feature >> more of narrator), we'll see, though as I said this might well mean that >> I'll end up skipping from xp to win8 completely. >> >> We'll just have to see where it ends up and if these things actually >> happen or not. >> >> Beware the grue! >> >> Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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