So the next time I rob a bank I can give it all to a pastor and be OK? If Doc really wants to discuss or cuss this I'll be lurking on Too Hot. :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message----- From: Jerry Belloit <bell...@clarion.edu> Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 07:25:46 To: <gatortalk@googlegroups.com> Reply-to: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Scott, I generally agree, but it might be interesting if the only "Payment" was a charitable donation to his uncle's (dad's?) church. I am not so sure it is a violation if there is not a benefit to an interested party. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING But it is a violation whether Cam knows or not IF that money came from AU or a AU booster. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if Cam knew... if money traded hands from one of the sources above, it is signed, sealed, and delivered as a violation... If it went to his dad or a future agent or a child orphanage to get his services... done. _____ From: Gatorrrrrr <gatorrr...@gmail.com> To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" <gatortalk@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" <jay.cic...@raymondjames.com> wrote: I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a violation..I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel <srman...@bellsouth.net> wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.........if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel <srman...@bellsouth.net> wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History.. I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there. >From Tigerdroppings.com <http://tigerdroppings.com/> an LSU website.start here http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676 <http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1> &Pg=1 TMZ.com <http://tmz.com/> about the FBI and Auburn: http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-univ ersity-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/ Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and Political Corruption http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea057 96017322.txt AL.com <http://al.com/> article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting indicted, plus murder for hire. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. 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