Woody,
Urban Meyer keeps a short list of possible coaches at all times just like Foley keeps a short list of head coaches for all sports. I think Foley got caught when he had to hire Zook so I think he has kept a short list ever since. I am sure Urban has already likely made a call or two. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:43 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] GatorNews From The Gainesville SUN For 11/30 at 7:00AM, Courtesy of Shane Ford Thats just it... it all needs to happen fast. If he's gonna go after more assistants or another OC... he needs to find em and snag em up fast and get them involved ASAP. Woody On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Arthur Polhill <lpolh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: I agree that much needs to be done, Woody; and I'm sure Meyer is aware of that too. I think the reason recruiting came up first is that it is where football programs are in the work-cycle. Signing day is fast approaching. He'll get to the other things. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain _____ From: Woody <gatorrr...@gmail.com> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 9:38:55 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] GatorNews From The Gainesville SUN For 11/30 at 7:00AM, Courtesy of Shane Ford A few national championships in a short tenure has earned him some time to prove otherwise. Yes... this is squarely on his shoulders. He was sick.. he took time off. Fine. Addazio kept things together.. but he had too much on his plate. Thats squarely on Urban and sorry.. its on Foley too... Foley should have known that Interim Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator and O-line coach is alot to ask one person to do. That saying.. I said from the day he was announced as the OC... I said I wasnt thrilled with the idea whatsoever and we could have gotten better (Ill refrain from saying I was right). I think Addazio should stay... but not as OC.. ive said that ad nauseum till I am sure you are all sick of hearing it. Go find me ONE program ANYwhere.. where one man is the Asst Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator AND O-line coach in any D-1 program with a regular winning record. (good luck with that). Meyer has run out of Asst's from his comfort zone... they all have moved on to bigger and better things... I think Meyer should take a look at Chris Klenakis.. he's the OC at Nevada and runs a version of the hurry up version of the (pistol) spread... and they are pretty successful offensively and with not near as good of talent that Florida has and can recruit. Bama is running a similar system but theirs is more of a power running game than spread. I dont think we can get the guy from Okie... he's gonna gonna be a HBC soon if not next year. What disturbs me most about the directly Meyer is reporting hes going to fix the problems.. is ... recruiting. This is NOT just a recruting problem. In fact.. while we should always be on top of recruiting... that is not the biggest issue. Discipline (how many penalties this year?). Coaching. Scheming. We are not just faced with ONE problem here. And if it were.. I wouldnt have recruiting at the top of that list. Yes we lost alot of experience. This team is finally faced with everyone having to step up their game to make plays. In the last two years.. we lost Harvin, Tebow, Pouncey, Hernandez and Spikes. All are starters in the NFL. The biggest thing about most of the people we lost is... they were the leaders on this team.. and no one has stepped up. I asked Brady Ackerman once who he thought the leaders were.. .he couldnt answer. Leaders on this team.. is a major.. major problem. No one is taking the lead. Burton has the ability to lead... but he doesnt have the experience. Reed? same thing? Im not asking anyone to be Tebow... that cannot be done and its unfair to ask anyone to be something they are not.. .but you dont have to be Tebow to be a good effective leader. Woody On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Stephen Manuel <srman...@bellsouth.net> wrote: I am usually not that critical of coaches, but I'm putting all the problems this year on Urban Meyer. He's the one who hired the coaches, he assigns them to their areas of coaching, he made the final decision on who got scholarship offers, etc.. I was listening to Pat Dooley on Jacksonville radio this morning and he said he had never seen Gator Nation turn on a coach faster than Urban Meyer, I'll admit I'm in that category. I'm mad at myself because Urban Meyer's record indicates he's a great coach, but for some reason he rubs me the wrong way. I've been telling my friends all season that you can't believe a single word that comes out of Gainesville anymore. Here are some things that have really bothered me. First is the injury situation. Matt Patchan was supposed to be a 2-week injury that turned into season ending. Jeff Demps is getting better but never was close to being the same. Just be honest with the injury report, you don't have to violate anyone's privacy, just say Matt Patchan has had a set back and will be out indefinitely. At the start of fall practice fans were barred from practice, the stated reason was to keep the scumbag agents away from the players, this is a total lie, you can do that without barring true fans and agents are not hanging out at practice, they are getting players at their apartments or in social situations not after practice. Urban Meyer has pretty much ditched his call in show, he sends assistants to do it. He's basically quit the booster club circuit. Urban Meyer makes over 4 million per year, the job requirements for the head coach at UF are more than recruiting and drawing up football plays, What I'm saying is, Urban Meyer is a great coach, but he's cut himself off from the fans and will look them in the eye and tell complete lies that everyone knows is a lie, but does it anyway.This works when you are competing for championships but when look like a unorganized high school team the goodwill is a lot less. If he's not 100% committed to turning things around he needs to go, we will know this fairly quickly. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:02 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] GatorNews From The Gainesville SUN For 11/30 at 7:00AM, Courtesy of Shane Ford Zeb, I agree with you. I think one thing that made it so unpleasant to watch this team - even when they won - was that underlying feeling of chaos and confusion. Most of the time, they seemed a little like the Keystone Kops, didn't they? Even when we were winning every game, there was a feeling of potential doom lurking. Remember how worried we were when Tebow was hurt? I think everyone knew that team - and, sadly, most of the coaching - was somewhat mediocre and, when Tim said he would carry the team on his shoulder, he really did have to do that quite often. If you look at how the teams of the last few years played with what auditors would call "a jaundiced eye", you realize that they would not have reached the heights they did without Tebow and his broad shoulders almost always there to carry the burden. When he had a bad game (ahem... the Citrus Bowl), there was nothing to fall back on. I realize it has been suggested that maybe Urban Meyer knew this, too, and that was at least part of the reason for his 'breakdown' or whatever it was at the end of last season. There may well be some truth to that. My dad and I were talking this weekend about how different even the most recent championship teams were as compared to SOS's championship teams (MNC and SEC). Many people categorized Danny Wuerffel as a mediocre quarterback, and maybe he was (Heisman trophy notwithstanding, right?) and suggested that UF won championships because of the talent of the team and outstanding coaching. They didn't attribute the championships to the QB. But those teams didn't look nearly as confused and chaotic (and Keystone Kops-like), and I have to think it's probably because of the differences in coaching. Just my usual late night rambling... my two cents worth (possibly over-priced ;-) ) Cee ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vega <mailto:zebu...@gate.net> To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] GatorNews From The Gainesville SUN For 11/30 at 7:00AM, Courtesy of Shane Ford On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Shane Ford wrote: I have to admit, I have never been happier to see a Florida season end I share this sentiment, and am not sure why. Certainly, I have suffered through worse seasons. Worse losses. Tougher losses. Still, this was the first year where I had no desire to watch the FSU game. In retrospect, that may have been a good idea. One thought is that we are worse than our 7-5 records suggests. The NCAA added a 12th game a year or two ago. We used it for a Division II team in App. State. If our traditional schedule were in place (only fair when comparing to Zook, Spurrier, Hall or even Darnell), we were 6-5. Included in those 6 wins were two patsies that we paid to come to our place in September and two teams (Vandy and Kentucky) that haven't beaten us in our players' lifetimes. Of the games where UF realistically had a chance to lose, we were 2-5. That's only part of the story for me. I think another part is the mass confusion on offense. That confusion led to a marked increase in three wildly annoying trends; increased penalties, giving up sacks, and turnovers. A typical UF drive seemed to be dive play for no gain, sweep to Rainey for a 2 yard gain, and then Brantley running for his life on 3rd and 12 after a delay of game or motion penalty. It was simply unpleasant to watch, and that unpleasantness was only accentuated by the talent of our players. I suppose that we have always had a feast or famine offense under Meyer, with the dive plays setting up a home run play by Demps or Harvin. With those players and Tebow, we outslugged a lot of teams and piled up a lot of points. We didn't seem to have those type of threats this year, and that exposed the herky-jerky nature of this offense. Adding the multiple quarterbacks - in my mind - didn't seem to help, but only made the offense more awkward and created more penalties. What was the year that we lost to Washington in the Garbage Bowl? That's about how excited I am about this team. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us <http://www.gatornet.us/> -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us <http://www.gatornet.us/> -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us <http://www.gatornet.us/> -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us <http://www.gatornet.us/> -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us <http://www.gatornet.us/> -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
