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Big difference. Newbies aren't getting the support they want and need in
BRLUG meetings as the level of technical expertise there is usually way over
their heads. I know this and see this at every meeting and try to address it
when I speak, but inherent geekoid need to massage the ego and impress
others with their knowledge usually holds sway.
I'm not trying to insult you Tim (I have a lot of respect for you in fact),
but you haven't been to a BRLUG meeting in a while. There are _many_ newbies
on this list and that attend meetings that are afraid to ask for help for
fear of appearing ignorant. I _know_ that they should not feel afraid to ask
what we would consider simple questions, but the basic fact is that they do
feel this way. I started the BRLUG Newbie Hour to try and address this need,
but only a few newbies would show up or they needed a lot more help than I
(and Nate and a few others) could give them in an hour.
Clickers is an organization that is primarily made of newbies, whereas BRLUG
is made up of somewhat experienced geeks at least the ones that contribute
regularly on the list and in the meetings. So, it is not pointless to have a
Clickers Linux SIG. In fact, I'd like to turn your question around and ask
you: What's the harm?
John Hebert
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fournet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Clickers wants to start a Linux SIG was RE: [brluglist] Re:
meeti ng locations?
What's the difference between a Clickers Linux SIG, and the Clickers members
attending BRLUG
meetings? There are of course no extra dues to pay, and it sure beats
doubling up on presentations.
Just seems kind of pointless to double up on effort and segregate the
members.
-Tim
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 10:18, John Hebert wrote:
Agreed, but I think the opportunity available is that Sue Smith would like
to push Linux more within Clickers, not that Clickers wants us to become a
SIG within their organization. At the last meeting, Choppy, Sue and me spoke
for a few minutes about helping them start a Linux SIG. She said that more
and more people are asking about Linux and want to know more about Linux. I
volunteered to help.
What Sue Smith and Choppy asked for is simple: Clickers wants to know more
about Linux and they need our help and expertise.
I agree completely that BRLUG stay a separate organization, but I also think
a Clickers Linux SIG would only be a good thing. Let's help em out.
John Hebert
-----Original Message-----
From: Dustin Puryear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [brluglist] Re: meeting locations?
At 08:22 AM 1/17/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>at Clickers for later spring. I would like to see a cordial relationship
and
>cooperation, but there is no reason not to remain an independent
organization.
>We're both non-profits and can share our skills and maybe even connections
>to the benefit of both.
The idea of BRLUG becoming a SIG within Clickers has been suggested before.
However, I do not see any advantage to becoming a SIG. In addition, members
would then have to pay Clickers dues. No worries--BRLUG will remain
separate.
Regards, Dustin
---
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Information Systems Consultant
http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear
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not trying to insult you Tim (I have a lot of respect for you in fact), =
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haven't been to a BRLUG meeting in a while. There are _many_ newbies on =
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course no extra dues to pay, and it sure beats doubling up on =
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<BR>Just seems kind of pointless to double up on effort and segregate =
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<BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>Agreed, but =
I think the opportunity available is that Sue Smith would =
like</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>to push Linux more within =
Clickers, not that Clickers wants us to become a</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>SIG within their organization. =
At the last meeting, Choppy, Sue and me spoke</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>for a few minutes about helping =
them start a Linux SIG. She said that more</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>and more people are asking =
about Linux and want to know more about Linux. I</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>volunteered to =
help.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>What Sue Smith and Choppy asked =
for is simple: Clickers wants to know more</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>about Linux and they need our =
help and expertise.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>I agree completely that BRLUG =
stay a separate organization, but I also think</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>a Clickers Linux SIG would only =
be a good thing. Let's help em out.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>John Hebert</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>-----Original =
Message-----</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>From: Dustin Puryear =
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>Sent: Thursday, January 17, =
2002 10:11 AM</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>To: =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>Subject: Re: [brluglist] Re: =
meeting locations?</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>At 08:22 AM 1/17/2002 -0600, =
you wrote:</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>>at Clickers for later =
spring. I would like to see a cordial relationship</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>and</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>>cooperation, but there is =
no reason not to remain an independent</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>organization.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>>We're both non-profits and =
can share our skills and maybe even connections</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>>to the benefit of =
both.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>The idea of BRLUG becoming a =
SIG within Clickers has been suggested before. </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>However, I do not see any =
advantage to becoming a SIG. In addition, members </FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>would then have to pay Clickers =
dues. No worries--BRLUG will remain</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>separate.</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>Regards, =
Dustin</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>---</FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>Dustin Puryear =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT></FONT></I>
<FONT color=3D#737373><FONT size=3D3><I>Information Systems =
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