On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > On 10 Nov 2003, at 22:33, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > > > > On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:15 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: > > > though i do strongly feel that the criticism of jakarta from the board > has been unfair, i do think that there is a grain of truth in there. > the official jakarta pmc is too small and has far too few active > members for a project the size of jakarta. but jakarta's got too big > and too diffuse for this to change easily or quickly. But compared to a year ago it is changing. It was 7 people then or something. > >> there are major issues about getting more folks on the jakarta pmc. > >> at the moment, there are *major* procedure difficulties that are > >> preventing our newly elected being officially recognized by the board > >> as well as social ones. it is going to take time to reach our goal. > > > > What are the difficulties? > > some procedural, some social. jakarta doesn't even have a proper rule > for deciding when an election succeeds. i've lost one election vote > already for a senior apache member. then there's the effort of > persuading people to accept the nomination. > > whatever the issues, the membership has stayed basically static whilst > i've been a member even though numerous election votes have been > passed. Really? I thought it had been slowly growing. The problem is that the process for nominating, voting, notifying, accepting, notifying-sam, sam-accepting-subscribe, notifying-board, waiting, sam-adding-to-commiters.txt, someone-adding-to-who-we-are, done, is just too damn long to do 1 at a time. > there's also the issue of whether the jakarta-commons community wants > to become top level. there are certainly some who do but i suspect that > most want things to stay as they are. i might be able to persuade a few Yeah, I've no great desire to push J-C out. Wtf would we call it for one thing. "Yeah, we're Jakarta Commons, but we're not in Jakarta, no we're not Commons, they're different, we're Jak...". Also, if a component leaves J-C, how would it re-enter Jakarta. > i don't really see the problem with coorperating with greg and justin > here. i have a feeling the pretty soon (given a sufficent influx of > jakarta-commons components), the community atmosphere of > jakarta-commons will infuse this place too - but with the added > advantage that i get to bug greg and justin with the questions about > licensing and so on that i get asked but can't answer ;) The alternative is to invite more ASF people onto the J-PMC as guests. We import advisors, rather than hand-over our codebases [which is just a psychological thing, but it does feel somewhat like that to me]. Hen
