On 11 Nov 2003, at 13:36, Greg Stein wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:02:09PM -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, robert burrell donkin wrote: ...whatever the issues, the membership has stayed basically static whilst
i've been a member even though numerous election votes have been
passed.
Really? I thought it had been slowly growing. The problem is that the
process for nominating, voting, notifying, accepting, notifying-sam,
sam-accepting-subscribe, notifying-board, waiting,
sam-adding-to-commiters.txt, someone-adding-to-who-we-are, done, is just
too damn long to do 1 at a time.
The "notifying-sam" seems messed up. To me, that says he isn't
participating in the PMC. If you need to take a specific action to notify
him, then it raises the question (to me) of, "why? shouldn't he have
already seen that? isn't he already participating in the nominating and
voting parts?"
IMHO it's not as simple as that. sam is not the real problem. certainly, when sam was actively driving things strongly forward, things happened quicker - but sooner or later people on the pmc are going to have to learn to take responsibility. when sam has left some slack, no one has stepped forward to take it up.
jakarta doesn't even (at the moment) have a set of election rules that make sense. people start VOTE threads and then fail to follow them up (especially myself). i (at least) have been very unclear about the entire process of informing the board until recently.
there's also the problem that jakarta has grow apart as it's grown bigger. it's easy to elect lots of good people from the parts of jakarta which are well policed. but there are some sub-projects where there are no longer any active faces which are well known generally within the wider community. this is where we need more supervision (in the short term) and (in the long term) more pmc members but this is where it's hardest to elect pmc members.
then there's also the bit about collectively realizing that there's a problem that needs to be solved. on a positive note, i think that we're beginning to see some progress on this now. once we get some momentum and some collective idea about the procedures, things might start to improve.
- robert
