10x to what Chris said, put much better than I could. We all wear multiple hats, can't tell you the number of times I've worn my Apache hat in the office, in some cases to my own detriment there. If I weren't associated with the project at Apache that representation would be missing. So really it cuts both ways.
Patrick On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > So here’s my elaboration. > > The proposal below would have prevented me from ever helping > projects to the ASF and convincing them that it may be a good > home for them. I’ve always had financial ties to a project’s > Incubation status. In many cases, projects being at the ASF, > and my involvement in them has assisted my mission of doing > scientific research and helping win proposals and so forth for > NASA and other agencies. > > Further, I’ve many times been at the same institution in which > the project has originated from before the ASF. > > I think I’ve done a good job on the projects I’ve helped to > bring here and they have been successful too and have overall > benefitted the ASF. > > This rings to me very similar to Roy’s email circa 2012 I believe > in which in the Incubator we tried to force the diversity requirement > as a graduation requirement, and Roy succinctly explained that we > can’t punish e.g., a podling for having people all from the same > institution. That would punish that institution for hiring folks > for open source who work on code at the ASF. Diversity is always > a strong property of a podling as I feel it makes it more resilient > but it’s not a hard requirement. I feel the same thing in this thread. > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Chief Architect > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jpluser <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Date: Friday, October 9, 2015 at 5:14 PM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy > > >I do not agree with this proposal I will elaborate more later > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Incubator folks, > >> > >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for > >> incubating podlings: > >> > >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation > >> status. > >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or > >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission > >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code > >> (company or original project community) > >> > >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or > >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty > >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind > >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement. > >> > >> This would essentially mean: > >> > >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is > >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote > >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement. > >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot > >> mentor it nor vote for/against it. > >> > >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is > >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind. > >> > >> > >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would > >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator > >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential > >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of > >> mentoring if adopted. > >> > >> With regards, > >> Daniel > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >
