What are you referring to, Konstantin? Best regards,
Pierre Smits *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace* http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 08:36PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > Does there always have to be an actual problem before we can propose a > > policy? must we always be reactive instead of proactive? > > "We can't just stay on a side and wait, we should do something!" - sounds > all > too familiar, eh? > > > Yes, I am in a way implying that some mentors are, perhaps, not neutral > > in their work. I will not back it up with specific names or contexts, as > > I don't want to take a trip to lawsuit town for things I cannot back up > > with publicly available information. > > > > I don't find this to be uncivil accusations - can you outline a specific > > segment that you find uncivil? I am proposing a set of basic rules - > > which is naturally up for discussion and improvement - that would > > potentially alleviate us from having some nasty discussions - whether > > they be public or private - about the neutrality and honesty of > > recommendations, and hopefully ensure we have a more leveled playing > > field in the incubator. > > > > I'll stop here, as my eyesight is playing a trick on me today and not > > allowing me to see what I type. > > > > With regards, > > Daniel. > > > > On 10/09/2015 08:03 PM, Chris Douglas wrote: > > > What problem does this solve? > > > > > > This proposal lacks context. It implies that mentors are not neutral, > > > and that they are motivated by interests not shared by the ASF. But it > > > does not outline the merits of that belief, neither does it specify > > > how this proposal would address them. Instead of allowing those > > > definitions to float, this discussion would be more productive if it > > > were about some concrete problems for which there is evidence. Yet > > > another thread of rude responses to uncivil accusations is > > > unproductive, even if it is an IPMC tradition. -C > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> > wrote: > > >> Hi Incubator folks, > > >> > > >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for > > >> incubating podlings: > > >> > > >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its > incubation > > >> status. > > >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating > or > > >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission > > >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code > > >> (company or original project community) > > >> > > >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating > or > > >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty > > >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies > behind > > >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement. > > >> > > >> This would essentially mean: > > >> > > >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that > is > > >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote > > >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement. > > >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you > cannot > > >> mentor it nor vote for/against it. > > >> > > >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is > > >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind. > > >> > > >> > > >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I > would > > >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator > > >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential > > >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of > > >> mentoring if adopted. > > >> > > >> With regards, > > >> Daniel > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
