On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 08:36PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > Does there always have to be an actual problem before we can propose a > policy? must we always be reactive instead of proactive?
"We can't just stay on a side and wait, we should do something!" - sounds all too familiar, eh? > Yes, I am in a way implying that some mentors are, perhaps, not neutral > in their work. I will not back it up with specific names or contexts, as > I don't want to take a trip to lawsuit town for things I cannot back up > with publicly available information. > > I don't find this to be uncivil accusations - can you outline a specific > segment that you find uncivil? I am proposing a set of basic rules - > which is naturally up for discussion and improvement - that would > potentially alleviate us from having some nasty discussions - whether > they be public or private - about the neutrality and honesty of > recommendations, and hopefully ensure we have a more leveled playing > field in the incubator. > > I'll stop here, as my eyesight is playing a trick on me today and not > allowing me to see what I type. > > With regards, > Daniel. > > On 10/09/2015 08:03 PM, Chris Douglas wrote: > > What problem does this solve? > > > > This proposal lacks context. It implies that mentors are not neutral, > > and that they are motivated by interests not shared by the ASF. But it > > does not outline the merits of that belief, neither does it specify > > how this proposal would address them. Instead of allowing those > > definitions to float, this discussion would be more productive if it > > were about some concrete problems for which there is evidence. Yet > > another thread of rude responses to uncivil accusations is > > unproductive, even if it is an IPMC tradition. -C > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi Incubator folks, > >> > >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for > >> incubating podlings: > >> > >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation > >> status. > >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or > >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission > >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code > >> (company or original project community) > >> > >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or > >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty > >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind > >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement. > >> > >> This would essentially mean: > >> > >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is > >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote > >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement. > >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot > >> mentor it nor vote for/against it. > >> > >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is > >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind. > >> > >> > >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would > >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator > >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential > >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of > >> mentoring if adopted. > >> > >> With regards, > >> Daniel > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
