On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 01:29AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > What are you referring to, Konstantin?
I am referring to the progressives of the world and all "policy frameworks" they are so readily unleashing on everybody because they have an urge to meddle. I am very much agree with Chris and Ross on immorality of the guilt-by-association policy. Cos > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace* > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 08:36PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > > Does there always have to be an actual problem before we can propose a > > > policy? must we always be reactive instead of proactive? > > > > "We can't just stay on a side and wait, we should do something!" - sounds > > all > > too familiar, eh? > > > > > Yes, I am in a way implying that some mentors are, perhaps, not neutral > > > in their work. I will not back it up with specific names or contexts, as > > > I don't want to take a trip to lawsuit town for things I cannot back up > > > with publicly available information. > > > > > > I don't find this to be uncivil accusations - can you outline a specific > > > segment that you find uncivil? I am proposing a set of basic rules - > > > which is naturally up for discussion and improvement - that would > > > potentially alleviate us from having some nasty discussions - whether > > > they be public or private - about the neutrality and honesty of > > > recommendations, and hopefully ensure we have a more leveled playing > > > field in the incubator. > > > > > > I'll stop here, as my eyesight is playing a trick on me today and not > > > allowing me to see what I type. > > > > > > With regards, > > > Daniel. > > > > > > On 10/09/2015 08:03 PM, Chris Douglas wrote: > > > > What problem does this solve? > > > > > > > > This proposal lacks context. It implies that mentors are not neutral, > > > > and that they are motivated by interests not shared by the ASF. But it > > > > does not outline the merits of that belief, neither does it specify > > > > how this proposal would address them. Instead of allowing those > > > > definitions to float, this discussion would be more productive if it > > > > were about some concrete problems for which there is evidence. Yet > > > > another thread of rude responses to uncivil accusations is > > > > unproductive, even if it is an IPMC tradition. -C > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Incubator folks, > > > >> > > > >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for > > > >> incubating podlings: > > > >> > > > >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its > > incubation > > > >> status. > > > >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating > > or > > > >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission > > > >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code > > > >> (company or original project community) > > > >> > > > >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating > > or > > > >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty > > > >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies > > behind > > > >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement. > > > >> > > > >> This would essentially mean: > > > >> > > > >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that > > is > > > >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote > > > >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement. > > > >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you > > cannot > > > >> mentor it nor vote for/against it. > > > >> > > > >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is > > > >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I > > would > > > >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator > > > >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential > > > >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of > > > >> mentoring if adopted. > > > >> > > > >> With regards, > > > >> Daniel > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
