First off: Can we *please* focus on the revised proposal and not get into a loop about the original email? I'll change the topic if that helps.
The revised edition, as partly suggested by Sam (and echoed by Bertrand) was: - Binding votes on incubation, graduation and/or retirement are only valid when given by members of the IPMC who are independent from the podling in question. Mentors are free to recommend such actions, but cannot cast a vote themselves. I don't believe I mentioned MIA mentors anywhere - is that something you wish to discuss as well? With regards, Daniel. On 10/11/2015 11:34 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > I’m -1 on on this. The whole premise of the ASF is that it is a meritocracy > and that volunteers at various “levels” of the organization have attained > their status because they are trustworthy. Without this premise, the ASF > falls apart. > > Finally, it’s not clear to me that this addresses the problem of MIA mentors. > If they were supposedly tied in some manner to the incubation and graduation > of a podling, then they are definitely active during its incubation; I have > no problem with that because in my book, they are trustworthy. > > I’ve made proposals to solve the problems listed below, the causes of which > are, imo, volunteerism and a free ride into a project and its PMC. My > proposal was after 3 missed votes, the mentor is automatically removed with > simple no-fuss reinstatement procedures should the mentor wish to redeem > themselves. Mentors cannot stay with the podling when it graduates. > > > Regards, > Alan > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Incubator folks, >> >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for >> incubating podlings: >> >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation >> status. >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code >> (company or original project community) >> >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement. >> >> This would essentially mean: >> >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement. >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot >> mentor it nor vote for/against it. >> >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind. >> >> >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of >> mentoring if adopted. >> >> With regards, >> Daniel >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
