On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:49 AM Adrian Cole <adrian.f.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm excited about netbeans becoming an apache TLP, and also interested > in learning if there are things in that process (beyond the photo > snatching) other podlings like the one I am should be careful of. > Here it is: https://foss-backstage.de/session/10-tips-moving-large-corporate-projects-apache Gj > > Cheers, > -A > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:35 PM Adrian Cole <adrian.f.c...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I agree please email the author of the cat photo or find another cat. > > This topic is boring and probably there are actual important things we > > are defocused from when focusing so massively on this photo. > > > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:51 AM Davor Bonaci <da...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > The issue at hand is simply called theft, and everyone (both inside and > > > outside the community) is most welcome to point it out and ask for it > to be > > > fixed. We thank those individuals who point it out, whether in IPMC or > > > otherwise, and look for ways to address it as soon as possible. > > > > > > Fixing this issue is in the best interest of the foundation, the > project, > > > the community, the release manager, the copyright owner... everyone. We > > > don't push back on this. We don't look for reasons why the individual > has > > > no standing in pointing it out. We don't find excuses. (If we do and/or > > > continue as nothing happened, we'd just make a case that the theft was > > > willful and action negligent -- we do not do that.) > > > > > > So... to be direct -- just fix the damn problem, thank Justin for > pointing > > > it out, and stop arguing. > > > > > > You may find that fixing the problem requires no code changes. If you'd > > > just politely email the copyright owner, explain the situation, that > ASF is > > > a charity, offer to promote the photographer in legal notices, you may > find > > > that a reasonable person will just grant you the permission you need > and > > > thank you for helping promote his work. This is particularly true if > you > > > ask for a few photos, out of the photographer's huge collection. It is > > > often as simple as that. (Try that instead of arguing here, but make > sure > > > to phrase things properly so that everyone understands all > implications of > > > licensing downstream and upstream.) > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:31 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:57 PM Craig Russell < > apache....@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> .... > > > > >>> copyright issues on the cute cat and rabbit photos [1] probably > mean > > > > >> that they cannot put that release in the ASF distribution area > even if > > > > they > > > > >> do get 3 +1s without legal and infra approval. > > > > >> > > > > >> We have to look at risk here. Is there a risk that the owner of > the > > > > images > > > > >> is going to make trouble? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am kind of stunned to hear this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The web site where the images came from says: > > > > > > > > > > We have an extensive commercial picture library of professional > Nature > > > > and > > > > >> Pet photographs. Our images are sold on a rights managed basis > and can > > > > be > > > > >> bought for specific and exclusive uses. All the images on this > website > > > > are > > > > >> ©Warren Photographic and watermarked with our logo. > > > > > > > > > > (see https://www.warrenphotographic.co.uk/about.php) > > > > > > > > > > This sounds a lot like serious photographers trying to make a > living. > > > > > Anybody who goes to the trouble of watermarking their images is > pretty > > > > > serious about their work and about people stealing that work. > > > > > > > > > > But aside from that, quite frankly, Apache is not in the business > of > > > > > judging whether somebody is powerful enough or aware enough or rich > > > > enough > > > > > or even just cantankerous enough to make trouble for us about > copyright > > > > > infringement. > > > > > > > > This is way over the top. Please don't go there. > > > > > > > > > We don't even do adversarial forks of open source material > > > > > where the license says that it is perfectly fine to do. > > > > > > > > > > So how can anybody imagine that it is OK to steal some images from > people > > > > > who do not grant the rights to use just because they aren't likely > to > > > > "make > > > > > trouble"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not arguing that the image issue does not need to be resolved. > Just > > > > the opposite. > > > > > > > > Perhaps I should have elaborated: Is there a risk that during the > next few > > > > weeks that it will take us to either get permission or remove the > image > > > > that the owner is going to make trouble? > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> What do other IPMC members think? > > > > >> > > > > >> I think that if others want to dig into the details, I would > encourage > > > > >> them to do so. But at this point, I do not believe that the > issues you > > > > >> raised warrant a -1 on the release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The issue of the photos has been previously raised. The suggested > > > > solution > > > > > was to delete the photos. > > > > > > > > > > It should be done. > > > > > > > > Craig L Russell > > > > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation > > > > c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo < > > > > http://db.apache.org/jdo> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
