Hi Ted, > On Mar 30, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:57 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> .... >>> copyright issues on the cute cat and rabbit photos [1] probably mean >> that they cannot put that release in the ASF distribution area even if they >> do get 3 +1s without legal and infra approval. >> >> We have to look at risk here. Is there a risk that the owner of the images >> is going to make trouble? >> > > I am kind of stunned to hear this.
> > The web site where the images came from says: > > We have an extensive commercial picture library of professional Nature and >> Pet photographs. Our images are sold on a rights managed basis and can be >> bought for specific and exclusive uses. All the images on this website are >> ©Warren Photographic and watermarked with our logo. > > (see https://www.warrenphotographic.co.uk/about.php) > > This sounds a lot like serious photographers trying to make a living. > Anybody who goes to the trouble of watermarking their images is pretty > serious about their work and about people stealing that work. > > But aside from that, quite frankly, Apache is not in the business of > judging whether somebody is powerful enough or aware enough or rich enough > or even just cantankerous enough to make trouble for us about copyright > infringement. This is way over the top. Please don't go there. > We don't even do adversarial forks of open source material > where the license says that it is perfectly fine to do. > > So how can anybody imagine that it is OK to steal some images from people > who do not grant the rights to use just because they aren't likely to "make > trouble"? > I am not arguing that the image issue does not need to be resolved. Just the opposite. Perhaps I should have elaborated: Is there a risk that during the next few weeks that it will take us to either get permission or remove the image that the owner is going to make trouble? Craig > > >>> >>> What do other IPMC members think? >> >> I think that if others want to dig into the details, I would encourage >> them to do so. But at this point, I do not believe that the issues you >> raised warrant a -1 on the release. > > > The issue of the photos has been previously raised. The suggested solution > was to delete the photos. > > It should be done. Craig L Russell Secretary, Apache Software Foundation c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>
