> On Jun 27, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> The Incubator itself is a PMC.
>
> OK that's sorted.
>
>> Now let's talk about podling releases... When the IPMC votes on accepting a
>> podling release, and it passes, my opinion is that the Incubator takes on
>> the resultant legal obligations associated w/ any PMC doing a release. Now
>> the podling releases themselves are noted and described as "not GA" and "not
>> official", et.al. but this is, again IMO, simply to make it clear to anyone
>> who is downloading and using the software that the expectations normally
>> associated with "regular" Apache releases do not apply, such that there
>> could be some licensing issues, etc, that would be verboten in "official"
>> releases, but may exist here. In other words: this is a podling release;
>> expect issues and mistakes and churn.
>
> Except it's not, as it seems the IPMC doesn’t need to abide by what other
> PMCs need to abide by when making releases :-) (Which is ironic given the
> IPMC is tasked with teaching and passing that knowledge on.) And that policy
> exception is not documented anywhere. :-) Nor has the board, to my knowledge,
> approved such an exception. Yay! So how is a voted on PMC release, an act
> which make it official, is not an official release? Do you see how this might
> be confusing or open to a board range of interpretations?
>
Yes, I see how it can be confusing and open to a range of opinions.
Recall that with other PMCs, the PMCs themselves are directly responsible for
the development of the code. Not so with the IPMC. The expectation w/ other
PMCs is that they know how to do releases, and that their releases will be
correct and valid. With podlings, the expectation is the reverse. It is
expected that podling releases will have issues... in fact, iirc, somewhere
along the line *making* a podling do a release was added as a required step to
graduation, to make sure that upon graduation, they knew how to do it.
Incubation should be a... wait for it... 'safe space' (/me ducks) for podlings
to learn the ropes, to fail doing the "normal" things that a PMC must do
(including releases), because that is how people learn best. As long as the
outworld world is aware that podlings can not, and should not, be expected to
be "the same" as other PMCs, we are OK.
Maybe we should think of the podlings more as "Apprenticeship PMCs" ;)
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