> I do what I can at the pace I am able.

Which is quite impressive. Especially considering that you probably have
other duties and a live.

I agree 100% with the rest (especially with the mass revolt bit).

Checking mechanisms (automatic or manual) and systematic nagging look 
much more constructive and efficient to me than occasional bursts of
flames.


Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:17 PM
> 
> Jon Stevens wrote:
> >
> > There were no documents like that before I wrote it.
> 
> Forgive me, but I still hold to my belief that that at the time it was
> written, that document wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
> 
> > Just like there was no nag.pl before I came up with the idea to 
> implement
> > it.
> 
> You can believe what you want.  It was part of my master plan.
> 
> > If anything, you initially resisted nag.pl. One way I know this is
> because
> > as the PMC Chair, you refused make it a requirement of projects to have
> it
> > enabled. Instead, you relied on social pressures to work their magic.
> This
> > actually extended the amount of time it took for people to 
> adopt Gump and
> > raise its awareness. It also caused quite a bit of pain (as you say
> below)
> > as projects had votes against it.
> 
> IIRC, your plan was to send nags on succcesses as well as failures.
> 
> Re: mass conversion - I still believe that there would have been mass
> revolt instead.  I do not have enough arms and legs to be 
> everywhere at all
> times.  I have deliberatedly paced the rate at which I have incorporated
> new codebases based on how many battles I felt that I could concurrently
> fight.
> 
> There are quite a few code bases that took a number of iterations before
> the either saw the light or resigned themselves to the fact that I wasn't
> going to relent.
> 
> > Exactly. I feel that this lack of semblance of control from the top has
> > actually hurt us. Looking at the success of other projects which have
> more
> > control at the top makes me realize this. Jakarta to me is now 
> a complete
> > anarchy where people can do whatever they want without having to worry
> about
> > consequences over the long term.
> 
> I do what I can at the pace I am able.
> 
> - Sam Ruby


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