On Tuesday 13 March 2007 13:05, Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: > I wrote to Christel earlier today about this. But AFAIR we usually have at > least a week to discuss such proposals. Apart from that enforcing our users > this code of conduct with only three days of discussion is not what I find > user friendly.
First of all, I think most part of the code is just common sense. That's also the reason that it is not explicit about many things. Strictly defined rules don't apply in all situations, and jerks find ways around them or to argue that the rule does not apply to them. The modus operandi should be: "We (council) define what is acceptable behaviour. If you don't like it, vote us off and get a "better" council. Until that time, comply. To me that is the only way to avoid free for all. We have seen that taping things over doesn't work. > > Before getting into any detail, perhaps in another mail, I have one > objection to this proposal. > > I think it is a waste of time giving more paper rules for Devrel to enforce > as long as they are in effect powerless to stop Gentoo developers > from bad behaviour. As long as we as a group of developers can't even live > up to the code of conduct we have agreed upon I don't think it is wise to > enforce such conduct on the rest of the community. I don't see how this is an objection. It sound more like a remark or observation. Naturally the enforcement needs to happen and infrastructure must be supportive to that (e.g. by providing do-it-yourself tools to devrel). > > I do support more power to Devrel but lets try to keep the house clean > before we take care of the garden. Well, I don't consider -dev to be our garden, but rather gentoo's living with an open door policy. Most participants are either devs, or are close to being devs. In any case they are not general users. Paul ps. I would also like to suggest that the devrels looks at things like micro bans. That is, banning someone for a couple of days from sending to the mailing list. This could be effective against e.g. people who continue to feed trolls after being warned not to do so. -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net
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