On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Sep 2011 11:25:23 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 05:10:40PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> > > Is it simply subscribing to -dev and voicing the conversation there?
>> >
>> > Of course not. But please, do that if you think it will help to steer
>> > Gentoo to whatever direction do you think is the correct one.
>> > Personaly I don't think the devs (who, AFAIK, do not receive a single
>> > dime for working on Gentoo) will appreciate anybody telling them how
>> > they should do their jobs, the one they do for free. But that's just
>> > me.
>>
>> I think so.  Most devs are grateful for (polite) feedback, and take it
>> into account when doing their work.  I suspect they're unaware of just
>> how much this change to booting is disliked by Gentoo users.
>
> Could someone please nudge them this way for them to get first hand feedback
> on their decision.
>
>
>> > No, by "you know what needs to be done" I mean: code. Contribute.
>> > Become a developer. Make shit happens the way you think it should
>> > happen.
>> >
>> > Shut up and code. Google it, I didn't come with the phrase.
>
> Not all of us have the capability to code, although all of us are grateful for
> good code devs produce and often express our user needs and wants in this M/L.
>
>
>> Just as a matter of interest, how much coding have you done for open
>> source or free software?  It was conspicuously absent from the CV you
>> posted here a few days ago.
>
> Canek may wish to keep his reply off list because it wouldn't be of particular
> interest to many and is not relevant with Gentoo being aligned with a flawed
> (IMHO) design principle.
>
> Better we focus our efforts instead on influencing Gentoo devs and upstream
> decision making on this matter before it defaults into a design orthodoxy for
> Linux.

Rather than flooding the gentoo devs with a bunch of outrage, maybe
it'd be better to build a document detailing the reasoning of the
opinions and discussed potential solutions? It'd probably be received
a lot better than starting over with a new heated argument, feeling
around how much the various parties know and understand about the
issue.

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