I have a feeling that the use of nominative and genitive cases on the topic is the main reason for misunderstandings. We need to focus whether we should use %B for "full date" form or not, as this is the common factor for all languages now.
Greek translations (i assume other affected languages too) already use %B for "full date" form, and a proposed solution to use %B for the "standalone" form will create an unneeded regression for these languages. So, to make things easier for everyone, i agree that it would be better to use %B for "full date" form and %OB for "standalone" form (the chances to use the alternative %OB format for the affected languages are low and limited only to specific use cases, e.g. GNOME Calendar uses standalone form for Week/Month/Year views). Regards, Tom On 20 April 2017 at 03:25, Rafal Luzynski <digitalfr...@lingonborough.com> wrote: > (BTW, here is the date formatted incorrectly because the bug is > so common in Linux systems including web services:) > > Dnia 20 kwiecień 2017 o 01:39 Piotr Drąg <piotrd...@gmail.com> napisał(a): > > > > > > 2017-04-20 1:08 GMT+02:00 Rafal Luzynski <digitalfr...@lingonborough.com > >: > > > 19.04.2017 16:19 David Sapienza <david.sapie...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > >> So I agree with fios: I think that it is better to use the "O" > > >> modifier (%OB) for the genitive form (in the languages that uses > > >> it) while we should keep the %B for the nominative form. > > > > > > OK. Again I don't agree here but I'm collecting opinions here and > > > trying to explain my point of view. It does not mean that other > > > people must agree with me and does not mean I will not change > > > my mind in the future. Although at this moment I am strongly > > > convinced to my opinion. > > > > > > > But am I correct to assume that with your solution, languages which > > don’t need different standalone and “format” forms would just always > > return the nominative (standalone) form? I.e. basically nothing > > changes for them? > > Yes, definitely, always nominative. They may not even have a separate > genitive form. > > More precisely: this depends on what they put in their locale database > [1] but if they don't need/don't want/don't have genitives they will > not put them there. > > > For example, *with* your patches to glibc: > > > > Original string is “%B %d”, which in the en_US locale expands to “April > 20”. > > > > Polish translation is “%d %B”, which correctly gives us “20 > > kwietnia[genitive]“. > > Exactly like that. Also compare: > > "%OB %d" in en_US → "April 20" (because there is no other form in English) > "%d %OB" in Polish → "20 kwiecień" (nominative - incorrect! but you get > what you wanted) > > "%OB" is an alternative form, this means it's not intended to be > normally used except in special situations like when the month > name is displayed standalone. "%B" should automagically work > correctly in most cases. > > > Translation to a hypothetical Western language that doesn’t employ > > genitive in this context is also “%d %B”, which correctly gives us “20 > > aprilo[nominative]“. > > You don't need a hypothetical language: that's how it will work in > English, French, Italian, German, and many more. :-) > > > This is how every other platform works right now. > > Yes, this means BSD [2] and OS X [3] where glib2 and other GNOME > libraries are intended to work correctly. > > Best regards, > > Rafal > > > [1] https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=tree;f=localedata/ > locales;hb=HEAD > [2] https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=strftime&sektion=3 > [3] > https://developer.apple.com/legacy/library/documentation/Dar > win/Reference/ManPages/man3/strftime.3.html > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n >
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