Just to make things more complicated, I wanted to inform you that in Friulian, we use this literally translated form: at the _DAY_ of _MONTH_ of the YEAR
Moreover we use ordinal and cardinal day numbers, ordinal for the first day of the month, and cardinal for the others (2-31) Moreover we use singular for the first day, plural for the others... So we really need this solution. example: al 1ⁿ di mai dal 2017 ai 15 di mai dal 2017 Regards, Fabio 2017-04-20 13:05 GMT+02:00 Tom Tryfonidis <tomt...@gmail.com>: > I have a feeling that the use of nominative and genitive cases on the > topic is the main reason for misunderstandings. We need to focus whether we > should use %B for "full date" form or not, as this is the common factor for > all languages now. > > Greek translations (i assume other affected languages too) already use %B > for "full date" form, and a proposed solution to use %B for the > "standalone" form will create an unneeded regression for these languages. > > So, to make things easier for everyone, i agree that it would be better to > use %B for "full date" form and %OB for "standalone" form (the chances to > use the alternative %OB format for the affected languages are low and > limited only to specific use cases, e.g. GNOME Calendar uses standalone > form for Week/Month/Year views). > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > On 20 April 2017 at 03:25, Rafal Luzynski <digitalfr...@lingonborough.com> > wrote: > >> (BTW, here is the date formatted incorrectly because the bug is >> so common in Linux systems including web services:) >> >> Dnia 20 kwiecień 2017 o 01:39 Piotr Drąg <piotrd...@gmail.com> >> napisał(a): >> > >> > >> > 2017-04-20 1:08 GMT+02:00 Rafal Luzynski <digitalfr...@lingonborough.co >> m>: >> > > 19.04.2017 16:19 David Sapienza <david.sapie...@protonmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> So I agree with fios: I think that it is better to use the "O" >> > >> modifier (%OB) for the genitive form (in the languages that uses >> > >> it) while we should keep the %B for the nominative form. >> > > >> > > OK. Again I don't agree here but I'm collecting opinions here and >> > > trying to explain my point of view. It does not mean that other >> > > people must agree with me and does not mean I will not change >> > > my mind in the future. Although at this moment I am strongly >> > > convinced to my opinion. >> > > >> > >> > But am I correct to assume that with your solution, languages which >> > don’t need different standalone and “format” forms would just always >> > return the nominative (standalone) form? I.e. basically nothing >> > changes for them? >> >> Yes, definitely, always nominative. They may not even have a separate >> genitive form. >> >> More precisely: this depends on what they put in their locale database >> [1] but if they don't need/don't want/don't have genitives they will >> not put them there. >> >> > For example, *with* your patches to glibc: >> > >> > Original string is “%B %d”, which in the en_US locale expands to “April >> 20”. >> > >> > Polish translation is “%d %B”, which correctly gives us “20 >> > kwietnia[genitive]“. >> >> Exactly like that. Also compare: >> >> "%OB %d" in en_US → "April 20" (because there is no other form in >> English) >> "%d %OB" in Polish → "20 kwiecień" (nominative - incorrect! but you get >> what you wanted) >> >> "%OB" is an alternative form, this means it's not intended to be >> normally used except in special situations like when the month >> name is displayed standalone. "%B" should automagically work >> correctly in most cases. >> >> > Translation to a hypothetical Western language that doesn’t employ >> > genitive in this context is also “%d %B”, which correctly gives us “20 >> > aprilo[nominative]“. >> >> You don't need a hypothetical language: that's how it will work in >> English, French, Italian, German, and many more. :-) >> >> > This is how every other platform works right now. >> >> Yes, this means BSD [2] and OS X [3] where glib2 and other GNOME >> libraries are intended to work correctly. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Rafal >> >> >> [1] https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=tree;f=localedata/ >> locales;hb=HEAD >> [2] https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=strftime&sektion=3 >> [3] >> https://developer.apple.com/legacy/library/documentation/Dar >> win/Reference/ManPages/man3/strftime.3.html >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-i18n mailing list >> gnome-i18n@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n >> > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > >
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