Nuvem, according to the late Valmiki Faleiro, is a part of the Margao comunidade village. It was a place of summer retreat for the land owning families of Margao.
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 3:03 PM Rochelle Fernandes < rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you so much for your suggestions, Selma. All duly noted. > > Regards > Rochelle > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 14:03 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net < > goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Dear Rochelle, >> >> If I may suggest to you to limit your study to one village, which would >> allow for better patterns to emerge. A village like Nuvem (my village) for >> instance is of immense interest because of the myriad of hierarchies, >> inclusions and exclusions to land ownership. Here you will find the full >> breadth of migratory settlements. On the one hand the Gaudda populations >> who are the landless but now settled on Church property. For generations >> they lived on tracts of land owned by absentee bhatkars, mostly living in >> Portugal. The land after independence was sold off. On these sale deeds you >> will find mention of 'curumbin' which refers to the indigenous populations. >> Some of the land was claimed by mundkars after the mundkari laws came into >> effect. Some of it was bought by men like my father who prospered in the >> Gulf. The village further down the road is populated by former bakers, the >> petty-bourgeoise class who claim to be chardos. Their sons have made their >> money working on board ships. The concept of the Guankari is not much >> prevalent in Nuvem, but it is prevalent in say Velsao, just 30 minutes down >> the road. This in itself needs investigation. >> >> Good luck, much to investigate. >> Selma >> >> On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:17:32 BST, Rochelle Fernandes < >> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Thank you for your insights. I'll keep this in mind. >> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 16:32 William Robert Da Silva <wrdsi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I found it difficult to begin with land-owning families and then go >> over to the labour in the field from 1988-1997. There have been many >> political interventions in land-owning in Goa as far as I have worked >> on it. I continued this in Kanara in researching the migrant >> possession of land and their labour. Even that was difficult because >> the British and Indian governments changed land relations. There is a >> lot to research here. >> Willam Robert Da Silva >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42 PM Rochelle Fernandes >> <rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Helga >> > >> > Thank you so much for sharing resources. I'm only interested in the >> landholding families as this will help me make sense of labour relations. >> > >> > Thank you for your insights. >> > >> > Regards >> > Rochelle >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 20:31 Helga do Rosario Gomes < >> helgadorosa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Rochelle, >> >> There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in >> the Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape >> file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one >> >> https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/ >> >> Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then? >> Unless that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get >> information. Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the >> astronomical prices and siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting >> long battles in court. Many of these battles involve daughters who while >> eligible don't are often ousted from their share and the courts run at the >> pace of turtles. >> >> Best, >> >> Helga >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather <be...@dickinson.edu> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dear Rochelle and Frederick, >> >>> >> >>> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping >> resource you can use: >> >>> >> >>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/ >> >>> >> >>> Best, >> >>> >> >>> Heather >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Rochelle >> Fernandes <rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> >> >>> Reply-To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" < >> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> >> >>> Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM >> >>> To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" < >> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> >> >>> Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Caution:This email originated from outside of the College. Do not >> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >> the content is safe. Report anything suspicious to the HelpDesk. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an >> idea of the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping >> would help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha < >> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state, >> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually >> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan >> politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often >> wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in >> private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions >> in my mind.... FN >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes < >> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Catholic Landowning families* >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes < >> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Good day >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial >> Goa? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" >> (whoever they may be!) and their estates. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Please let me know. 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