Dear Alberto, I am aware of the struggles of the locals with the Portuguese colonial government. However I was a kid then and I stand by my words as that was what I had experienced. There was equality in school where I studied (two of my best mates was a white and a black) and we were three always inseparable. At work, my father did have friends of both colours and noticed nothing wrong with race. My mother had house staff, but we had treated them as family. The sad thing about Angola was not about Portuguese rule but about the 30 year civil war that commenced soon after the Portuguese left the place. That showed how pathetic and stupid Angolan natives are, they have independence and then they go all out to kill each other - instead of enjoying freedom. And then elect rulers who loot the country in every conceivable way, father and daughter. Fast forward 2024, Angolans are leaving and going to Portugal. Why, missing the colonialists? Or perhaps being incompetent and unable to govern themselves? I am not trying to change any history. Angola's story is very sad and hurts me deeply as Angolan/Portuguese/Goan. It should had been a great nation today, but people there do not have the capability to govern themselves. They are now under economic colonialists China rule and nobody seems to be making noise about it. Sorry to say but you need the colonialists back to take care of the country, it has gone to the dogs, it was much better pre-1975 Regards, Joao Paulo
________________________________ From: albert...@sapo.pt <albert...@sapo.pt> Sent: 04 May 2024 13:42 To: goa-research-net@googlegroups.com <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the president of Portugal Paulo. Please do not distort the true history of colonization. Read, here, some excerpts from the president of Angola in Lisbon. Jornal de Angola. He said - Allow me to begin by thanking President Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa for the kind invitation extended to us to participate in the celebrations of the Fiftieth Anniversary of April 25, 1974. While the Portuguese people fought against fascism and the Salazar dictatorship since 1932, we, the African people colonized by Portugal, HAD BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE 15TH CENTURY AGAINST PORTUGUESE COLONIZATION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES SUCH AS SLAVERY AND THE PLUNDERING OF OUR WEALTH. WE FOUGHT FOR AN END TO THE ABUSES, CRIMES AND VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTED BY THE COLONIALIST REGIME AGAINST OUR PEOPLE FOR CENTURIES. WE FOUGHT FOR OUR DIGNITY AS HUMAN BEINGS, WHO MUST HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO FREEDOM, THE RIGHT TO BE THE MASTERS OF OUR OWN DESTINY. The armed struggles for our Independence in Guinea Bissau, Angola and Mozambique have reached such an advanced stage, especially after the failure of the Mar Verde operation, the assassination of Amílcar Cabral and the proclamation of Independence by the PAIGC in the hills of Madina de Boé in 1973 in Guinea Bissau, the fiasco of the Nó Górdio operation and the heavy losses inflicted by FRELIMO and the MPLA on Portuguese colonial troops in Mozambique and the North and East of Angola, which precipitated the events that led to the uprising and military coup of April 25, 1974 in Portugal. Regards Alberto I think I will agree with Nuno. Portugal enriched itself with spices early in time more than it did in more recent times. It benefited mostly due to trade. It did not rob Goa and its people of anything like others did. And it developed the place quite well then. The British pillaged more stuff from India like gold, diamonds and other precious stones, tea, etc. The Spanish were terrible, it was mostly gold and silver from their South American possessions that impoverished these nations. The French were worse, besides all the above, they have signed contracts with places like Haiti to have the colonies pay for damages to the slave owning colonisers! They are still paying a 1825 debt today, no wonder they are bankrupt. Being born in Angola and grown up in Goa too, life in Portuguese colonies was different from those of other European powers then. In Angola were we lived it was paradise and the black people had also equal rights and quality of life. No discrimination like the British did in India and the French and Spanish did elsewhere. One of the major contributions to Goa, the amazing drainage system, was destroyed by these BJP corrupt politicians who invent new ways to swindle the population. India needs to do reparations to Goa for the damage it is doing to the state and for the money it is robbing its people. Modern colonisers. JP ________________________________ From: 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> Sent: 26 April 2024 07:56 To: goa-research-net@googlegroups.com <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the president of Portugal Yes, throughout the centuries Portugal comitted crimes. Just like every other country on Earth. But we also helped to build. Without Portugal there would be no Goan State in India, and Goans would be a lot different, not necessarily better. Without Portugal there wouldn't be a great nation such as Brazil. There wouldn't be a great Angolan state, with a strong sense of identity, with a prosperous economy built on much of what Portugal built over four and a half centuries. There wouldn't have been a tolerant Timorese nation, so different from Indonesia. There wouldn't have been a marvellously mixed nation such a Cape Verde, where the colour of skin is completely irrelevant. We took a lot away from those countries, but I believe we gave back a lot more than we took. No reparations are needed. Nuno Cardoso da Silva Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:56 AM From: "'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net" <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> To: "Goa-Research-Net" <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> Subject: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the president of Portugal The Portugal’s president, Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, expressed some opinions at an event with foreign journalists on Tuesday . ( In the month in which 50 years of democracy in Portugal - 25/04/2024) He said António Costa, former prime-minister, son of a Goan, as someone reflective, the result of eastern ancestry, while Luís Montenegro, the new prime-minister, is “completely different”. The head of state did not fail to analyze himself in this aspect. “I’m a hurried Westerner,” he defined. The statement about Montenegro came when he explained how he saw the change of Government ahead of schedule. “He [Luís Montenegro] is a person who comes from a deep, urban-rural country, with rural behaviors. He is very curious, difficult to understand, precisely because of this. Marcelo added that he “would be happy” and accustomed to António Costa's governance until 2026, but the dissolution of Parliament was necessary given his resignation as prime minister and secretary-general of the Socialist Party (PS). 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