Who said ,They indeed, need us Portuguese to go back there.
End of CPLP? Russia continues its policy of expanding influence in
Africa and signed a military agreement with São Tomé and Príncipe.
Soon, it will be able to strengthen ties with Guinea-Bissau.
This military cooperation agreement between Russia and São Tomé and
Príncipe was signed on April 24th and came into force on May 5th.
SUBJECT: RE: RE: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa,
the president of Portugal
Hello Nuno,
I was not expressing any opinion on the reparation movement. I was
replying to João Paulo's opinions that Angola needs the colonialists
for being uncapable of governing itself and that Portuguese
colonialism, even during Estado Novo, was not racist and promoted
equality between peoples. I believe that you share the last opinion,
in your evaluation of the historical profile of Portuguese
colonialism, regarding which you see Estado Novo as a break. Amilcar
Cabral affirmed that if an African could be President of the country
most probably would have no reasons to want to become independent.
For me that impossibility translates the basic nature of
colonialism. Does this mean that we should abdicate from a
complexified look at colonialism? I believe it should not. I think
it is our duty as historians, as I believe it is to help the
acknowledgement of the "others" in us and to help the promotion of
hospitality and of social justice.
Now, regarding your arguments. I do believe that the enunciation of
a certain body of principles by a state is important and itself
carries a transformative potential with practical consequences. That
is why I think that we need to give importance to the rupture
regarding the liberal and republican political tradition introduced
by Estado Novo and the Acto Colonial, as while the firsts tried to
solve, the tensions between colonial domination and the
acknowledgement of universal of individual and collective rights of
man inherited from the eighteenth century by conceptualizing a
pluricontinental nation-state, the lasts basically refused such
inheritance. The question lays on understanding if such
contradiction was actually fully addressed by the liberals and
republicans both constitutionally and in practice. I believe it was
not - even at the level of principles the discussion was never
closed and since the Berlin Conference its terms suffered a change
with structural impact - although it helped local elites to convoke
such principles and to develop a political consciousness. Among
other studies, I do vividly counsel the reading of Cristina Nogueira
da Silva's work, starting with /Constitucionalismo e Império. A
cidadania no Ultramar português/ (2009) and /A Construção jurídica
dos territórios ultramarinos portugueses no século XIX/ (2017). Your
argument regarding the identitarian tool offered by Portuguese as a
common language is interesting. As you know, who are actually
working on that are the African postcolonial countries for a set of
reasons. The discussion of "tribalism" would take us far...
best wishes,
Sandra
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ASSUNTO: Re: RE: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa,
the president of Portugal
Sandra,
You make some valid points, but the "Estatuto do Indigenato" and the
"Ato Colonial" were completely at odds with the Portuguese overseas
traditions. In the 19th century the so called "colonies" were always
referred to as "Províncias Ultramarinas", which elected members to
Parliament in Lisbon, and the minister in charge of them was always
called "Secretário da Marinha e Ultramar", not "colonies". And the
Ato Colonial, as well as the Estatuto do Indigenato, were abolished
in 1961 because they did not fit our traditional relationship with
the overseas. Yes, we colaborated with the slave trade and forced
labour was not uncommon in the African territories, but our
influence in those territories was not all negative. Speaking only
of Angola - where I lived for three years - I have no doubt that the
strong feeling of national identity, the lack of tribal strife, the
benefits of a common language, the strong economy, were very much
due to the way we ruled Angola for over 400 years. Yes,
colonization, any colonization, is a vile violation of people's
rights, and we should not try to ever justify it. But, in the end, I
believe we did more good than evil. And while the evil part remains
as part of history, the good things are helping to build solid,
prosperous countries. No reparations are needed, only the
recognition of the evil things we were responsible for, which we do.
Marcelo should have kept his mouth shut...
Best wishes
Nuno
SENT: Sunday, May 05, 2024 at 8:44 AM
FROM: "sandra lobo" <sandral...@netcabo.pt>
TO: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
SUBJECT: RE: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the
president of Portugal
Hello João Paulo,
I totally agree with you. In 1975, 85% of the population in Angola
did not face the burden of knowing to read and write and enjoyed the
benefit of until 1974 of being protected from the of terrorists at
the service of unsound ambitions of those who are now colonizing
them. Until 1961, the Estado Novo cared so much for their
development that even offered them a special statute, that Angolans
still lament to have fallen, the famous "Estatuto do Indigenato"
applicable to the black population that was still not able to
understand the benefits of Portuguese civilizational mission due to
its backwardness. The protection they enjoyed, according to the 1954
statute, forced by the international devious pressure, still
included the salvation of the mission to educating the natives to
the value of work, the protection of their unpreparenees to take
decisions on their own life like have the State regulating the right
to change residency, the right to have prison sentences transformed
in forced labor, to compulsory serve at the army to take deviant
fellows back to the right track, all that viewing the ultimate aim
in the mind of any Angolan, that of becoming a citizen with the
privilege of having a special ID citizens card where his/her
conditions to hold it where especified. They indeed, need us
Portuguese to go back there.
Best wishes,
Sandra
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ENVIADO: 4 de maio de 2024 23:55
PARA: albert...@sapo.pt <albert...@sapo.pt>;
goa-research-net@googlegroups.com <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
ASSUNTO: Re: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the
president of Portugal
Dear Alberto,
I am aware of the struggles of the locals with the Portuguese
colonial government.
However I was a kid then and I stand by my words as that was what I
had experienced.
There was equality in school where I studied (two of my best mates
was a white and a black) and we were three always inseparable.
At work, my father did have friends of both colours and noticed
nothing wrong with race.
My mother had house staff, but we had treated them as family.
The sad thing about Angola was not about Portuguese rule but about
the 30 year civil war that commenced soon after the Portuguese left
the place.
That showed how pathetic and stupid Angolan natives are, they have
independence and then they go all out to kill each other - instead
of enjoying freedom.
And then elect rulers who loot the country in every conceivable way,
father and daughter.
Fast forward 2024, Angolans are leaving and going to Portugal.
Why, missing the colonialists?
Or perhaps being incompetent and unable to govern themselves?
I am not trying to change any history. Angola's story is very sad
and hurts me deeply as Angolan/Portuguese/Goan.
It should had been a great nation today, but people there do not
have the capability to govern themselves.
They are now under economic colonialists China rule and nobody seems
to be making noise about it.
Sorry to say but you need the colonialists back to take care of the
country, it has gone to the dogs, it was much better pre-1975
Regards,
Joao Paulo
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FROM: albert...@sapo.pt <albert...@sapo.pt>
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SUBJECT: Re: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the
president of Portugal
Paulo. Please do not distort the true history of colonization.
Read, here, some excerpts from the president of Angola in Lisbon.
Jornal de Angola.
He said - Allow me to begin by thanking President Marcelo Rebelo de
Sousa for the kind invitation extended to us to participate in the
celebrations of the Fiftieth Anniversary of April 25, 1974.
While the Portuguese people fought against fascism and the Salazar
dictatorship since 1932, we, the African people colonized by
Portugal, HAD BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE 15TH CENTURY AGAINST
PORTUGUESE COLONIZATION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES SUCH AS SLAVERY AND THE
PLUNDERING OF OUR WEALTH.
WE FOUGHT FOR AN END TO THE ABUSES, CRIMES AND VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN
RIGHTS COMMITTED BY THE COLONIALIST REGIME AGAINST OUR PEOPLE FOR
CENTURIES. WE FOUGHT FOR OUR DIGNITY AS HUMAN BEINGS, WHO MUST HAVE
THE SAME RIGHT TO FREEDOM, THE RIGHT TO BE THE MASTERS OF OUR OWN
DESTINY.
The armed struggles for our Independence in Guinea Bissau, Angola
and Mozambique have reached such an advanced stage, especially after
the failure of the Mar Verde operation, the assassination of Amílcar
Cabral and the proclamation of Independence by the PAIGC in the
hills of Madina de Boé in 1973 in Guinea Bissau, the fiasco of the
Nó Górdio operation and the heavy losses inflicted by FRELIMO and
the MPLA on Portuguese colonial troops in Mozambique and the North
and East of Angola, which precipitated the events that led to the
uprising and military coup of April 25, 1974 in Portugal.
Regards
Alberto
I think I will agree with Nuno.
Portugal enriched itself with spices early in time more than it did
in more recent times. It benefited mostly due to trade. It did not
rob Goa and its people of anything like others did. And it developed
the place quite well then.
The British pillaged more stuff from India like gold, diamonds and
other precious stones, tea, etc.
The Spanish were terrible, it was mostly gold and silver from their
South American possessions that impoverished these nations.
The French were worse, besides all the above, they have signed
contracts with places like Haiti to have the colonies pay for
damages to the slave owning colonisers! They are still paying a 1825
debt today, no wonder they are bankrupt.
Being born in Angola and grown up in Goa too, life in Portuguese
colonies was different from those of other European powers then. In
Angola were we lived it was paradise and the black people had also
equal rights and quality of life. No discrimination like the British
did in India and the French and Spanish did elsewhere.
One of the major contributions to Goa, the amazing drainage system,
was destroyed by these BJP corrupt politicians who invent new ways
to swindle the population.
India needs to do reparations to Goa for the damage it is doing to
the state and for the money it is robbing its people.
Modern colonisers.
JP
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SUBJECT: Re: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the
president of Portugal
Yes, throughout the centuries Portugal comitted crimes. Just like
every other country on Earth. But we also helped to build. Without
Portugal there would be no Goan State in India, and Goans would be a
lot different, not necessarily better. Without Portugal there
wouldn't be a great nation such as Brazil. There wouldn't be a great
Angolan state, with a strong sense of identity, with a prosperous
economy built on much of what Portugal built over four and a half
centuries. There wouldn't have been a tolerant Timorese nation, so
different from Indonesia. There wouldn't have been a marvellously
mixed nation such a Cape Verde, where the colour of skin is
completely irrelevant. We took a lot away from those countries, but
I believe we gave back a lot more than we took. No reparations are
needed.
Nuno Cardoso da Silva
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SUBJECT: [GRN] Antonio Costa and Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the
president of Portugal
The Portugal’s president, Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, expressed some
opinions at an event with foreign journalists on Tuesday . ( In the
month in which 50 YEARS of democracy in PORTUGAL/ - 25/04/2024)/
He said António Costa, former prime-minister, son of a Goan, as
someone reflective, the result of eastern ancestry, while Luís
Montenegro, the new prime-minister, is “completely different”.
The head of state did not fail to analyze himself in this aspect.
“I’m a hurried Westerner,” he defined.
The statement about Montenegro came when he explained how he saw the
change of Government ahead of schedule. “He [Luís Montenegro] is a
person who comes from a deep, urban-rural country, with rural
behaviors. He is very curious, difficult to understand, precisely
because of this.
Marcelo added that he “would be happy” and accustomed to António
Costa's governance until 2026, but the dissolution of Parliament was
necessary given his resignation as prime minister and
secretary-general of the Socialist Party (PS).
In the interview with foreign journalists, the President of
Portugal, Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa declared late on Tuesday that
Portugal was responsible for crimes committed during transatlantic
slavery and the colonial era, indicating a necessity for reparations.
https://www.dn.pt/6486274197/marcelo-faz-analises-e-comparacoes-entre-costa-e-luis-montenegro/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/24/portugal-pay-costs-slavery-colonialism-president
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