This is a nettle that OA organisations like SPARC, OASPA and COPE should be
grasping.
There are things they could be doing, and things they could be saying. And for
so long as
the OA movement continues to ignore the problem, Open Access is in danger of
being discredited.
People are beginning to conclude that OA is about dubious marketing practices
and vanity
publishing, not about freeing the refereed literature.

To tie this up with the recent commentary on Eric Van de Velde's post:
Personally I think I see a
new strand in the discussion about OA in Eric's post.

I say this because until now most of the debate appears to have taken
place in the speculative realm. Those against it have focused on arguing why
OA will not/cannot work - be it Green, Gold, or the whole shebang.  Those
who support it have responded that that is all speculation, and then add that a
more
likely scenario is xxxx.

What I think we are beginning to see is a strand that says, "Ok, we've tried
OA, and here are the consequences and the problems". And some of
Eric's questions reveal the sort of conclusions that people are reaching:
"What if we could significantly reduce cost by implementing pay walls
differently?" "Are Open-Access Journals a Form of Vanity Publishing?" These
questions may not entirely reflect Eric's conclusion, but they
are I think indicative of where the debate is moving.

Stevan may be right to say that some of the arguments used are as
flawed and wrong-headed as they always were, and frequently presented from the
perspective of the wrong people. But if one considers how a debate is framed and
develops - even if the thinking behind it is wrong-headed - once ideas gain
mindshare they tend to take on a life of their own, as the history of OA
demonstrates.

I also understand Stevan's point about conflating access with affordability,
but at one time many in the OA movement argued that OA would solve both
problems, and it was for that reason perhaps that people like Eric (and
many others too) supported the movement in the first place. Indeed, the
roots of SPARC lie in the affordability problem, not the access problem.  

Personally, I believe that affordability is just as important as access, and
while one can argue that the two problems should be tackled one at a time, with
access addressed first, what we are actually witnessing is publishers
co-opting OA in a way that embeds the affordability problem into an OA
environment, so I don't think these are problems that can be tackled
separately. Stevan is right to argue that Green is a better option, not
just in terms of speed, but also for its potential to solve both problems
(by forcing publishers to downsize while also providing access), but the problem
is that Gold is winning the race to the finish line, not Green.

Add to this the vanity publishing issue and the situation becomes even more
perilous. As people will no doubt recall, Elsevier predicted what we are seeing
in its evidence to the Science & Technology Committee in 2004 (for self-serving
purposes perhaps, but so what), and indeed the claim had been made by others
before.
The problem  is that many now see that prediction coming true. And if Gold OA 
is
tainted,
then Green OA will be viewed as guilty by association (and of course accused,
however inaccurately, of not being all the things that Eric believes it ought to
be).

Richard


On Oct 30, 2011, at 05:03 PM, Stevan Harnad <amscifo...@gmail.com> wrote:

      Dear colleagues,

      They just keep coming, almost daily, pre-emptively spamming all the
      people we had been hoping to win over to Open Access.

      Not only is it regrettable that OA is so unthinkingly identified in
      most people's minds exclusively with gold OA publishing, but this
      growing spate of relentless fool's-gold junk-OA spamming is now
      coalescing with that misconception -- and at the same time more and
      more universities and funders are reaching into their scarce funds
      to
      pay for this kind of thing, thinking this is the way to provide OA.

      (Meanwhile, green OA mandates, the real solution, are still hovering
      at about 200 out of about 10,000 (2%!) -- and mostly needlessly
      watered-down mandates. I wish I could figure out a way to turn this
      liability -- fool's-gold spam and scam -- into an asset for
      spreading
      green mandates, but I'm afraid that even Richard Poynder's critical
      articles are being perceived mostly as critical of OA itself rather
      than just of fool's-gold OA.)

      The real culprits are not the ones trying to make a buck out of this
      current spike in pay-to-publish-or-perish/gold-fever co-morbidity,
      but
      the researchers themselves, who can't put 2+2 together and provide
      green OA on their own, cost-free; and their institutions and
      funders,
      who can't put 2+2 together and mandate that they do it.

      Instead of thinking, it's easier to shell out for fool's gold...

      Richard's exposés are helpful, but I think they are not enough to
      open
      people's eyes.

      So all we can do is hope that the spamming itself will become so
      blatant and intrusive that it will wake people up to the fact that
      this is not the way to provide OA...

      Stevan

      PS Not only do I not work on anything faintly resembling
      "proteomics/bioinformatics" but I have no "relationship with OMICS
      Group" (except possibly prior complaints about spam)! These spam
      disclaimers are a lark. They seem to be using professional spam
      services that try to appear respectable.

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