Surely authors have exactly the same freedom under the subscription model?  Sally  Sally Morris South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU Tel: +44 (0)1903 871286 Email: sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk Â
________________________________________________________________________________ From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Cockerill Sent: 01 November 2011 18:45 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam Is the problem really with commercial publishers? Non-commercial subscription-based journals surely create every bit as much of an access barrier as commercial subscription-based journals. And high-quality commercial open access journals can and do deliver just as good value to the research community as high-quality non-commercial open access journals. Under the open access model , no one is 'locked in'. Authors are free to submit to whichever journal offers them the best combination of prestige, service and value. In practice, that seems as likely to be a commercial journal as a non-commercial journal. Matt Cockerill BioMed Central > From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST- > open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Dana Roth > Sent: 31 October 2011 22:24 > To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org > Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam > > Reme brings up an excellent, if unstated, point ... commercially > published OA journals like commercially published subscription > journals are the problem ... not the society/non-commercial OA and > subscription journals. > > Dana L. Roth > Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32 > 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125 > 626-395-6423 fax 626-792-7540 > dzr...@library.caltech.edu > http://library.caltech.edu/collections/chemistry.htm > > From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST- > open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Reme Melero > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 1:28 AM > To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org > Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam > > El 30/10/2011 17:03, Stevan Harnad escribió: > > > Not only is it regrettable that OA is so unthinkingly identified in > most people's minds exclusively with gold OA publishing, but this > growing spate of relentless fool's-gold junk-OA spamming is now > coalescing with that misconception -- and at the same time more and > more universities and funders are reaching into their scarce funds to > pay for this kind of thing, thinking this is the way to provide OA.  I am also an OA supporter, but I do not agree 100% with this afirmation, because the situation depends also on different areas of the world, for instance in Latinamerican and Caribbean countries (LAC) , gold OA exists for years (even if their journals were not called OA journals, in fact most of them are "gratis journals") but the repositories landscape is an emerging area, in fact there are very few institutional repositories. However, projects like Scielo, Redalyc or Latindex that have been working for years with journals editors successfully. So, there are diverse OA landscapes, and depends on where you are the route to achieve OA could be different, said that I have also to say that I do not agree with paying 3000 dollars or euros to publish a paper, but in mostly LAC journals, authors do not pay any fee to publish a paper. Good morning form the Mediterranean side. Reme -- Reme Melero CientÃfico Titular CSIC IATA Avda Agustin Escardino 7, 46980 Paterna, Valencia Tel 963900022 ext 3121 www.accesoabierto.net
