> The discussion of whether or not generics will be added to Go has been going on for more than a decade. That's a lie. There has never been a question of "add it or not". It was always "we will add them" sooner or later.
сб, 13 мар. 2021 г. в 17:31, 'Axel Wagner' via golang-nuts < golang-nuts@googlegroups.com>: > I want to re-iterate: The discussion of whether or not generics will be > added to Go has been going on for more than a decade. All arguments from > all sides have gotten fair consideration. A decision was reached. > > You might not agree with that decision. But saying that "there are no > arguments" or that "arguments have been ignored" is simply and demonstrably > false. I understand that it can be difficult to accept that other qualified > people can come to different conclusions from you, based on the same > available data. But it's simply going to happen. So please be mindful of > how you communicate. And ideally, don't try to re-open this discussion with > the same arguments that have already been heard. It took enough time and > energy from everyone to reach a decision once. > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 3:19 PM Space A. <reexist...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> HI Martin, >> >> as Jan already explained, you're not only writing code, you also reading >> it. And you have to understand what's written. At the same time you're not >> just coding in Go, you're using the whole ecosystem including libraries and >> tools. So the mantra "just don't use if you don't like'' does not work, >> every Go programmer will be forced to use generics, to read and at the end, >> to write that code. >> >> Second question you may ask - yes it will be overused, in fact in the >> very first year everything will be flooded with bad code. Because it's a >> new toy and biggest change to the language in years, because it's a "smart" >> way of doing things (we are mature programmers, aren't we?), because "type >> safety" and "performance" and so on so forth. >> >> >> >> >> >> сб, 13 мар. 2021 г. в 15:45, Martin Schnabel <m...@mb0.org>: >> >>> (sorry space a, i didn't reply to list) >>> >>> hi alex and space a. >>> >>> as far as i know there is no reason that anybody has to write code with >>> generics when they are available. therefor i really don't understand the >>> negative mails to this list. >>> >>> do you also want others not to use them? how would that help you? could >>> you please explain to me your personal gain if generics are not added to >>> go and not available to me and other users? many users have valid use >>> cases for generics and custom code generation to deal with them now. >>> >>> i personally never had a reason to use imaginary numbers in go, they are >>> however part of the language as literals and accompanied by special >>> built-ins. should i care, do you? >>> >>> please explain >>> >>> On 13.03.21 12:34, Space A. wrote: >>> > There is no rationale. They decided, and they implemented. No one from >>> > Go team ever took the argument against it seriously because >>> "community" >>> > demands, blabla. And because Russ Cox with friends written an academic >>> > paper so this is now a question of pure science. Write your own and >>> they >>> > could listen. (No) >>> > >>> > суббота, 13 марта 2021 г. в 10:07:44 UTC+3, alex-coder: >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Thank you for the answers. >>> > Now I have something to read. :-) >>> > >>> > So, sorry for my English. >>> > Personally, I would add a dynamic dispatching into GO >>> > and left language without generic in order to keep simplicity for >>> GO >>> > and to make life of the applied programmers easier :-) >>> > >>> > What I'm looking for is the rationale behind the technical decision >>> > to understand why the sort of decision has been taken. >>> > >>> > Thank you again for the answers. >>> > >>> > On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 7:15:06 AM UTC+3 Ian Lance Taylor >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 7:31 AM alex-coder <a.gus...@gmail.com >>> > >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Hello again, >>> > > I apologize for being so intrusive. >>> > > Where it is possible to read about the evaluations of labor >>> > and complexity for >>> > > GO itself for different implementations to introduce generic >>> > in GO ? >>> > >>> > LIke others, I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but >>> perhaps >>> > you >>> > want to look at >>> > >>> > >>> https://go.googlesource.com/proposal/+/refs/heads/master/design/generics-implementation-stenciling.md >>> > < >>> https://go.googlesource.com/proposal/+/refs/heads/master/design/generics-implementation-stenciling.md >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> https://go.googlesource.com/proposal/+/refs/heads/master/design/generics-implementation-dictionaries.md >>> > < >>> https://go.googlesource.com/proposal/+/refs/heads/master/design/generics-implementation-dictionaries.md >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> https://go.googlesource.com/proposal/+/refs/heads/master/design/generics-implementation-gcshape.md >>> > < >>> https://go.googlesource.com/proposal/+/refs/heads/master/design/generics-implementation-gcshape.md >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Ian >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups "golang-nuts" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> > an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> > <mailto:golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>> > >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/8abb7704-ae60-4085-a7d7-0a8f7534e35dn%40googlegroups.com >>> > < >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/8abb7704-ae60-4085-a7d7-0a8f7534e35dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer >>> >. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/golang-nuts/lC9Z9VZXPdM/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/c67e637e-6eea-de85-1d43-e2d775424044%40mb0.org >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "golang-nuts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/CADKwOTedhgWhxdRgiocwfWumghD5eBWe8AvL0HUmxN1pB-LUDA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/CADKwOTedhgWhxdRgiocwfWumghD5eBWe8AvL0HUmxN1pB-LUDA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/golang-nuts/lC9Z9VZXPdM/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/CAEkBMfGbr-1g2NgpZryQeFWMgDzEnwYTfTGMaorWBV34jgcELw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/CAEkBMfGbr-1g2NgpZryQeFWMgDzEnwYTfTGMaorWBV34jgcELw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. 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