On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 3:11 PM atd...@gmail.com <atd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am in favor of the proposal but I think that accounting for popularity 
> votes is not a good measure of things.
> A lot of people are at various stages of their technical journey in computer 
> science and engineering and there has to be a weight given to the more 
> technical opinions that is not reflected in the github upvote/downvote system.
> At one point, everyone would have upvoted that the earth was flat.
>
> Just a note in passing :)

Yes.  I am not saying that the proposal was adopted because it had
good support.  I am arguing against the suggestion that the proposal
should not have been adopted because it had a lot of critics.

Ian


> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 11:03:50 PM UTC+1 Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:08 AM Space A. <reexi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > For example, the multiple proposals that flowed out of
>> > https://go.googlesource.com/proposal/+/master/design/go2draft-error-handling-overview.md.
>> > None of them have been adopted.
>> >
>> > I remember what was happening to "try" error handling proposal. It was 
>> > withdrawn only because of active resistance by the community.
>> >
>> > And what's happened to a new "generics" proposal, it also got a lot of 
>> > critics but was "accepted" in less than a month after formal publication 
>> > on github. As Russ said "No change in consensus". What does it mean? Who 
>> > are these people who can change the consensus? How was it measured? A few 
>> > days after Russ locked it, so nobody can even say a word against it if 
>> > they wanted. So it looks very much that company management learned from 
>> > "try" proposal.
>>
>> The design draft was put up for discussion for months before it became
>> a formal proposal. It was not new.
>>
>> The formal proposal (https://golang.org/issue/43651) got 1784 thumbs
>> up and 123 thumbs down (and ten "confused"). Yes, there were critics.
>> But I think it is fair to say that the proposal has far more
>> supporters than critics.
>>
>> The "no change in consensus" comment refers to the discussion after
>> the proposal was moved to "likely accept" status:
>> https://github.com/golang/go/issues/43651#issuecomment-772744198.
>> After it was marked as "likely accept", there was no change to the
>> consensus that it should be accepted. (Note that the "likely accept"
>> comment got 60 thumbs up and 0 thumbs down (and one "confused").)
>>
>> None of this is anything like the "try" proposal
>> (https://golang.org/issue/32437), which had 318 thumbs up and 794
>> thumbs down (and 132 "confused").
>>
>> Ian
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