> So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all. Sure there is - unless you know how to fix the problem. (Surely you're not going to argue that you're reporting an unknown problem.) After all, you complained about someone else's posting with "This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve problems."
Throughout this, you've acted like Google has some obligation to make GAE applications visible in China. It doesn't. > And no, there's no need for google to "subvert the great firewall" in > order to solve this problem. That's assuming that the Chinese want appengine apps to get through. Since they're blocking, I'm pretty sure that they want to block at least some app engine apps and are willing to block them all to block the ones that they don't want. > Google could talk to the authorities in > China to see what can be done to get unblocked. What are the odds that they haven't tried that? > It could give App Engine users the option to move their sites to google's > data centers > in China. SInce China is blocking app engine because it doesn't like certain app engine apps and those apps are the most likely to want to want to use such an option .... > Plenty of solutions - just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they > don't exist. Actually, I do know about those and lots of other bandaids. However, I also know how they all fail. The fix to the problem is China. If you're not working on that, you're just flapping your gums. On Apr 2, 11:10 pm, Andy <selforgani...@gmail.com> wrote: > I want to to hear from Google whether it has done anything to solve > this problem or whether it has any plan to do so. > > I don't want to hear pompous speech from a self-appointed non-google > spokesperson on his "political/moral" drivels and that he "encourage > me to take my business elsewhere". > > So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all. > > And no, there's no need for google to "subvert the great firewall" in > order to solve this problem. Google could talk to the authorities in > China to see what can be done to get unblocked. It could give App > Engine users the option to move their sites to google's data centers > in China. It could start selling static IP hosting. Plenty of > solutions - just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they > don't exist. > > On Apr 3, 1:54 am, Andy Freeman <ana...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve > > > problems. > > > Pot, kettle and all that unless you know how Google can subvert the > > "great firewall". > > > On Apr 2, 8:48 pm, Andy <selforgani...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > No one is interested in hearing your "political/moral" preaching. > > > > This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve > > > problems. If you have anything of value to add to the discussion, feel > > > free to add your bits. If not, you won't be missed. > > > > So you "encourage me to take my business elsewhere"? > > > > Who are you - are you the spokesperson of Google? Is that the Google > > > official position on this matter? > > > > Or was that just another failed attempt of you at self-aggrandizement? > > > > On Apr 2, 7:53 pm, Joe Bowman <bowman.jos...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > China and the other countries block content that they deem > > > > unacceptable for their citizens. In order to get appengine off the > > > > blacklist, they would have to disallow people to create applications > > > > which would be deemed offensive to those countries. > > > > > First, looking at it from the pure technical/business view, this would > > > > require that applications no longer post immediately, and be under > > > > review at each update at a minimum. This would potentially decrease > > > > the amount of applications served (thus decreasing revenue) while > > > > increasing costs to support the system. > > > > > From the political/moral view, Google has been a staunch supporter of > > > > rights to speech, and it wasn't that long ago that they were chastised > > > > for bending their own rules to support China at all by allowing the > > > > filtering of search results. Further expansion of their products > > > > having such filtering imposed by them would lead to more reputation > > > > damage. Reputation damage also costs money. > > > > > So really, from two different perspectives, there's no business sense > > > > in worrying about if appengine applications are being firewalled by 6 > > > > out of the 150+ countries that exist in the world. As a customer you > > > > have every right to take your business elsewhere, and if making you > > > > application available in those 6 countries is of the importance that > > > > you need to, I encourage you to do so. Not every web application is > > > > going to be appropriate for appengine. > > > > > There's 6 countries that support appengine, and can only write > > > > programs in python. Which is really the limiting factor of the > > > > application environment? > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:16 pm, Andy Freeman <ana...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Why shouldn't this be google's problem? > > > > > > Suppose that I sold raincoats and you wanted to buy one of my > > > > > raincoats. If someone else got between us and stopped me from > > > > > delivering raincoats to you, who would you hold responsible? > > > > > > Google isn't doing the blocking. > > > > > > Yes, Google may be able to make more money if it can get around the > > > > > blocking, but that doesn't change the fact that the blocks are not > > > > > under Google's control. > > > > > > In other words, blocking may be a problem, that is an issue, for > > > > > Google, but it isn't Google's problem, that is, something that Google > > > > > has some obligation to do act upon. > > > > > > On Apr 2, 3:38 pm, Andy <selforgani...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Why shouldn't this be google's problem? > > > > > > > Google's hosting platform is being blocked by the country with the > > > > > > largest internet population in the world. You think that's not a > > > > > > major > > > > > > problem? > > > > > > > I've used plenty of hosting sites that are perfectly accessible from > > > > > > China. So obviously this is a problem for Google. > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:18 am, Barry Hunter <barrybhun...@googlemail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > And why is this Google's problem?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
