In an argument we often polarize beyond what is entirely true.
Libraries. More than Frameworks are "OK" Some Frameworks are closer to libraries, and some Libraries are closer to frameworks. You should always look at what your frame work gets you and what it costs you. Putting a timer before your load of the framework is a good way to make that judgment. Sometimes it means stripping out everything you aren't using from a frame work. Other times it means using the framework as a stop gap until you can replace it with your own code. And sometimes it means doing the optimizations yourself. I am working on a project that uses the Python Natural Language Tool Kit. That doesn't even Fit in an F4 instance. Just loading the NLTK times out and never does anything. So I stripped it down to just the parts I needed, and then optimized how it uses memory. That is a Sucky way to spend 2 weeks. BUT I didn't have to write my own Sentence and parts of speech parser which would have been a sucky way to spend 9 months. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of glimmung Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:33 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: [google-appengine] Frameworks on GAE Hi All, I've been reading, initially with amusement but more recently with concern, the "dialogue" (for want of a better word) between Brandom Wirtz and Jeff Schnitzer re. startup time/optimisation. Brandom has now made the following very strong statement: "NO FRAMEWORKS. NONE. Deal with it." This leads me to ask the Google team for their position on this: Is it your position that GAE is an unsuitable platform for framework-driven apps? I'm using a framework, and trust the framework's authors to optimise their part of the piece as much as possible, but I'm paid to solve business problems, and am not about to dive into that timesink of esoterica. It's outside my skill-set, and properly so in my view. I've only really tinkered with GAE so far, and this is putting me off investing more time in what is starting to look like a risky platform for me. So Google peeps, if I want to write B2B apps using a framework, am I your market or not? Or is it your position that the low-level optimisation to balance start-up time and hosting cost will always be required? -- Cheers, PhilK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/sRtfq4gGlwYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
