+1 to this reply. Frameworks are OK, sometimes. The real question that you have to ask yourself is, what are you using from the framework, and does it justify copying the entire framework library in. Sometimes you absolutely need the framework, but you only need a portion of it. Fine, tear out the parts you don't need, and leave the rest in.
Other times, you're using the framework for services that App Engine already provides. A lot of people will point to authentication and security for reasons why they need a framework. While I understand that, it's also important to understand that using AppEngine's authentication capabilities are frequently faster and (depending on your application) simpler. App Engine can authenticate through Google Accounts (pretty much everybody has at least a Gmail account) or Federated authentication via OpenID. I have an apps that authenticate through one or the other service, and it only requires a few lines of code. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 4:43:25 AM UTC-5, Brandon Wirtz wrote: > > In an argument we often polarize beyond what is entirely true… > > > > Libraries… More than Frameworks are “OK” > Some Frameworks are closer to libraries, and some Libraries are closer to > frameworks. > *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto: > google-appengine@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *glimmung > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:33 AM > *To:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [google-appengine] Frameworks on GAE > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've been reading, initially with amusement but more recently with > concern, the "dialogue" (for want of a better word) between Brandom Wirtz > and Jeff Schnitzer re. startup time/optimisation. Brandom has now made > the following very strong statement: "NO FRAMEWORKS. NONE. Deal with it." > > This leads me to ask the Google team for their position on this: Is it > your position that GAE is an unsuitable platform for framework-driven apps? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/VJ_eFuwZ_OUJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
