> Is that new? Last I looked I believe NDB was not supported. If I could
suggest it would be helpful to use more specific terminology than Datastore
on that page.

It's not new as far as I know - ndb and db have traditionally be the way to
access datastore in App Engine, so it's somewhat implied. I'll see if I
can't make the docs a bit more clear there.

> So - I’ll call your bluff. Tell me how to submit a patch for the issue I
pointed to and I’ll happily do so.

You make some excellent points. I will move webapp2 to github, take
ownership of it, and I'll be happy to review and merge your patch as well
as publish a new version of webapp2 to PyPI. This process takes some time,
so I will update this list once that is done.


On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:01 PM Karl MacMillan <k...@strajillion.com> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 3:44 PM, 'Jon Parrott' via Google App Engine <
> google-appengine@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Are there plans to port over NDB for datastore access on managed VMs?
>>
>
> There is on-going discussion about NDB for Cloud Datastore here
> <https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/gcloud-python/issues/557#issuecomment-106952671>.
> The tl;dr is that basically it's possible, it's planned, but its contingent
> on the next release of the Cloud Datastore API and decoupling NDB from the
> App Engine SDK.
>
>
> Great.
>
> That being said, you can absolutely continue use NDB in Managed VMs by
> using runtime: python-compat
> <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/managed-vms/python/migrating-an-existing-app>
> .
>
>
> Is that new? Last I looked I believe NDB was not supported. If I could
> suggest it would be helpful to use more specific terminology than Datastore
> on that page.
>
> Is webapp2 going to be deprecated
>>
>
> There are no present plans that I'm aware of to deprecate webapp2. Because
> webapp2 is a WSGI-compliant web framework and is not itself tied to App
> Engine, you can use it in Standard, Managed VMs, and pretty much anywhere
> else. It'll continue to work everywhere WSGI works.
>
>
> Sure - I currently use it on GCE as well just to not use two frameworks.
> But it is abandoned as far as I can tell - there are bugs that have not
> been addressed in years.
>
> It's also an open-source project and patches are always welcome.
>
>
> I’m sorry, but that’s a little disingenuous. As far as I can tell there is
> _no_ activity on webapp2. I submitted a bug report that pointed to an exact
> line of code that needed to be changed but there was no response (
> https://code.google.com/archive/p/webapp-improved/issues/102). It’s not
> clear that there is any process to submit patches (contributing on the
> website has no information -
> https://webapp-improved.appspot.com/#contribute), there is no active
> mailing list / discussion forum, the bug tracker is just an archive on
> google code, and I can see no evidence that there is anyone other than a
> Google employee that can commit.
>
> So - I’ll call your bluff. Tell me how to submit a patch for the issue I
> pointed to and I’ll happily do so.
>
> Otherwise, please consider declaring that the project is abandoned and
> stop pointing people to webapp2 in App Engine documentation since it’s a
> dead end.
>
> Karl
>
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