> On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:40 PM, 'Jon Parrott' via Google App Engine > <google-appengine@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > if you ask me, you really should just put webapp2 into maintenance only > > mode and suggest people move on. There are no advantages over more popular > > frameworks and plenty of downsides. > > In general we want to align with the Python community. Whether we update our > docs to point to Flask over webapp2 is currently a point of discussion - but > I'm personally for it.
If you don’t make the change (or maybe until), can I strongly suggest you include some discussion that makes it clear the level of support for webapp2. Like I said - I went with that option on the mistaken impression that it was well supported by Google. That’s the _only_ thing that irritates me about this whole situation. I believe the docs lead me down a path without warning me of the true consequences. Even a basic “webapp2 is community supported framework” description would make it clearer. > No matter what we do there, there should be some way for people who are > currently using webapp2 currently to provide patches. > I’d certainly appreciate that. Despite my complaints, I’m not itching to port all of my code off of webapp2 because it’s working fine. Karl > Putting webapp2 in maintenance only mode is not currently our decision as we > do not own the package (it's a third-party package). If we do gain ownership > of it, we will likely put it into a community-supported model. > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:32 PM Karl MacMillan <k...@strajillion.com > <mailto:k...@strajillion.com>> wrote: >> On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:14 PM, 'Jon Parrott' via Google App Engine >> <google-appengine@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >> >> > Is that new? Last I looked I believe NDB was not supported. If I could >> > suggest it would be helpful to use more specific terminology than >> > Datastore on that page. >> >> It's not new as far as I know - ndb and db have traditionally be the way to >> access datastore in App Engine, so it's somewhat implied. I'll see if I >> can't make the docs a bit more clear there. >> > > Hmm - maybe I was wanting ndb in a non-compat python runtime. It’s been a > while. > >> > So - I’ll call your bluff. Tell me how to submit a patch for the issue I >> > pointed to and I’ll happily do so. >> >> You make some excellent points. I will move webapp2 to github, take >> ownership of it, and I'll be happy to review and merge your patch as well as >> publish a new version of webapp2 to PyPI. This process takes some time, so I >> will update this list once that is done. >> > > Hah - fair enough. I’ll send you that patch when you’re ready. > > BUT - if you ask me, you really should just put webapp2 into maintenance only > mode and suggest people move on. There are no advantages over more popular > frameworks and plenty of downsides. > > One note - last I looked much of the session handling code was completely > broken (https://webapp-improved.appspot.com/api/webapp2_extras/sessions.html > <https://webapp-improved.appspot.com/api/webapp2_extras/sessions.html>). I > ended up just rolling my own after my initial bug report was ignored. > > Karl > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:01 PM Karl MacMillan <k...@strajillion.com >> <mailto:k...@strajillion.com>> wrote: >>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 3:44 PM, 'Jon Parrott' via Google App Engine >>> <google-appengine@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Are there plans to port over NDB for datastore access on managed VMs? >>> >>> There is on-going discussion about NDB for Cloud Datastore here >>> <https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/gcloud-python/issues/557#issuecomment-106952671>. >>> The tl;dr is that basically it's possible, it's planned, but its >>> contingent on the next release of the Cloud Datastore API and decoupling >>> NDB from the App Engine SDK. >>> >> >> Great. >> >>> That being said, you can absolutely continue use NDB in Managed VMs by >>> using runtime: python-compat >>> <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/managed-vms/python/migrating-an-existing-app>. >>> >>> >> >> Is that new? Last I looked I believe NDB was not supported. If I could >> suggest it would be helpful to use more specific terminology than Datastore >> on that page. >> >>> Is webapp2 going to be deprecated >>> >>> There are no present plans that I'm aware of to deprecate webapp2. Because >>> webapp2 is a WSGI-compliant web framework and is not itself tied to App >>> Engine, you can use it in Standard, Managed VMs, and pretty much anywhere >>> else. It'll continue to work everywhere WSGI works. >> >> Sure - I currently use it on GCE as well just to not use two frameworks. But >> it is abandoned as far as I can tell - there are bugs that have not been >> addressed in years. >> >>> It's also an open-source project and patches are always welcome. >>> >> >> I’m sorry, but that’s a little disingenuous. As far as I can tell there is >> _no_ activity on webapp2. I submitted a bug report that pointed to an exact >> line of code that needed to be changed but there was no response >> (https://code.google.com/archive/p/webapp-improved/issues/102 >> <https://code.google.com/archive/p/webapp-improved/issues/102>). It’s not >> clear that there is any process to submit patches (contributing on the >> website has no information - https://webapp-improved.appspot.com/#contribute >> <https://webapp-improved.appspot.com/#contribute>), there is no active >> mailing list / discussion forum, the bug tracker is just an archive on >> google code, and I can see no evidence that there is anyone other than a >> Google employee that can commit. >> >> So - I’ll call your bluff. Tell me how to submit a patch for the issue I >> pointed to and I’ll happily do so. >> >> Otherwise, please consider declaring that the project is abandoned and stop >> pointing people to webapp2 in App Engine documentation since it’s a dead end. >> >> Karl >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/HazEmXZRpiw/unsubscribe >> <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/HazEmXZRpiw/unsubscribe>. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine >> <https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/AF77E164-0058-455F-9679-87FDB89C1926%40strajillion.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/AF77E164-0058-455F-9679-87FDB89C1926%40strajillion.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google App Engine" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine >> <https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine>. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CAN6JEymD%2BEv3jnS7KRr6UN4zBwaHVogNuPrA78Wnq2%2B%2BXV%2B6TA%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CAN6JEymD%2BEv3jnS7KRr6UN4zBwaHVogNuPrA78Wnq2%2B%2BXV%2B6TA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "Google App Engine" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/HazEmXZRpiw/unsubscribe > <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/HazEmXZRpiw/unsubscribe>. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com > <mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine > <https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/6C7FB369-90C4-4866-9C24-7F21D1E68ADD%40strajillion.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/6C7FB369-90C4-4866-9C24-7F21D1E68ADD%40strajillion.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com > <mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine > <https://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CAN6JEyk4XWK9D35uF%2B_33q5y6iX8p%2BVx5YJ6q8sGUVvpNbqr_Q%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CAN6JEyk4XWK9D35uF%2B_33q5y6iX8p%2BVx5YJ6q8sGUVvpNbqr_Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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