Nice. are you going to add the AnimateWindow function? This allows sliding
windows (like gtalk) and it is easy (ish) to use.
I got my sandbox on October 14th, and the previews were sent out on October
1st (i think)...

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one.
>
> (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have a
> preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are
> cheating the system.
>
>
> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA
>
>
> <https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA>Have
> fun,
> Oliver Baker
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red <andrewr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Oliver,
>> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I
>> don't have a preview account :(  )
>>
>> Thx
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Smloa,
>>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
>>> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
>>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
>>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
>>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
>>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
>>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
>>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
>>> learning style to learn C++.
>>>
>>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
>>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
>>> would ignore Sam though.
>>>
>>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
>>> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
>>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
>>> to code in C++.
>>>
>>> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola <callmesm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
>>>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>>>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>>>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>>>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>>>> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
>>>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
>>>> can make decisions then.
>>>>
>>>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
>>>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
>>>> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
>>>> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
>>>> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck on your app!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey <xcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
>>>> let
>>>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
>>>> different
>>>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
>>>> that
>>>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
>>>> until
>>>> > Google releases an API
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > Hi,
>>>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method
>>>> that
>>>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>>>> >
>>>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
>>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
>>>> `unrar`
>>>> > >> from your package management system.
>>>> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>>>> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>>>> >
>>>> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly
>>>> gmail
>>>> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>>>> >
>>>> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
>>>> > >> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format?
>>>> Linux
>>>> > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars....
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne <sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made
>>>> (which is
>>>> > >>>> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE.... Which is very
>>>> bad...
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer <joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is
>>>> unlikely
>>>> > >>>>> to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an
>>>> embedded
>>>> > >>>>> webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>>> > >>>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++,
>>>> instead of
>>>> > >>>>>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of
>>>> C++, but
>>>> > >>>>>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux
>>>> just needs to
>>>> > >>>>>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't
>>>> be that
>>>> > >>>>>> bad!
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code
>>>> almost
>>>> > >>>>>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means
>>>> what,
>>>> > >>>>>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the
>>>> line numbers up.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> For example:
>>>> > >>>>>> VB.net code:
>>>> > >>>>>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>>>> > >>>>>> C++ code:
>>>> > >>>>>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>>>> > >>>>>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does
>>>> exactly the
>>>> > >>>>>> same thing
>>>> > >>>>>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test
>>>> For
>>>> > >>>>>> Bugs, rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If
>>>> you're
>>>> > >>>>>> working your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may
>>>> even be able
>>>> > >>>>>> to fix some of them..
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code,
>>>> remember
>>>> > >>>>>>> that I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy
>>>> (readable) since I
>>>> > >>>>>>> really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the
>>>> project.
>>>> > >>>>>>> If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on
>>>> hold.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with
>>>> less bugs
>>>> > >>>>>>> but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version
>>>> thats been
>>>> > >>>>>>> released.)
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release
>>>> this
>>>> > >>>>>>> in vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re -
>>>> written
>>>> > >>>>>>> to proper standards.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>> > >>>>>>> Oliver Baker
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
>>>> > >>>>>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker <
>>>> ocba...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find
>>>> people that
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway
>>>> through, leaving me
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it,
>>>> its happened to me
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> before)
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>  Experience can never be taken from you.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to
>>>> find
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>> I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you
>>>> would
>>>> > >>>>>>>> find the gui more portable and easier to manage using
>>>> something like gtk+
>>>> > >>>>>>>> and whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or
>>>> python or *
>>>> > >>>>>>>>http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna
>>>> do what.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will
>>>> be a
>>>> > >>>>>>>> small shell script that gets called from something like conky
>>>> now and then.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>  It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Oliver Baker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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