Since we're bringing up lead walls, if people are interested in that kind of stuff, look up TEMPEST. ---- Julian
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin <amar...@charter.net>wrote: > Yes, you are relative to the lock punks. But even regular Wifi security > can defeat them. > > In the defense industry common PC components have to be locked down again > stray RF because spies in parking lots can sniff signals...even those on > wired keyboards. > I used to work inside a small room with 1-foot metal walls on all sides. > Heck, even football coaches use this tech to keep opposing teams from sniff > playbooks! So, if your stuff is that important... :) > > Anyway, not trying to talk you into anything. Keep doing what you're > doing, man! Be happy! > > On 5/13/2010 1:14 PM, DSinc wrote: > >> Anthony, >> OK. I'll get my old RF sniffer out again next week and check my 4 >> keyboards and mice........ ;) >> >> What kind of shields do you mean? I don't think the punks in pocket race >> cars w/WIFI scanners see anything but my m/b's or my microwave. >> I could be wrong, but, I believe I am roughly RF neutral. >> Best, >> Duncan >> >> >> On 05/13/2010 12:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: >> >>> Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! >>> >>> On 5/13/2010 12:11 PM, DSinc wrote: >>> >>>> Anthony, >>>> LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of "Good Ole' Boys." And, I have >>>> met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) >>>> Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 "computer" stores in my location. These >>>> folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. >>>> >>>> Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! "Let's call >>>> cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _____________!" (fill-in!) >>>> "PassPhrase"? I could only hope. >>>> >>>> The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to >>>> have trouble linking with a test client inside my house....15ft away >>>> from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. >>>> >>>> I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I >>>> do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. >>>> Still smiling, though. >>>> Best, >>>> Duncan >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: >>>> >>>>> hehe...Ok, Duncan. >>>>> >>>>> Just curious, though...what do you mean by "few too many strong >>>>> hot-spots"? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks >>>>> open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be >>>>> secure. >>>>> I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with >>>>> secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... >>>>> >>>>> But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your >>>>> keyboard itself is "tempest" then one can make a trip to radioshack to >>>>> see what top secret stuff you are typing. >>>>> >>>>> best. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Anthony, >>>>>> I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an >>>>>> RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has >>>>>> improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my >>>>>> keystrokes in free space. >>>>>> Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the >>>>>> phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and >>>>>> saying "No" to various charities seeking contributions....... :) >>>>>> Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 >>>>>> router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong >>>>>> hot-spots in my neighborhood. >>>>>> I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that >>>>>> service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is >>>>>> already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only >>>>>> commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. >>>>>> Let's just call this my "tin-hat" issue. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Duncan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Greg, >>>>>>>> TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) >>>>>>>> Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. >>>>>>>> Duncan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: >>>>>>>>> TV, >>>>>>>>> blu-ray >>>>>>>>> player, Dish receivers). >>>>>>>>> WiFi N for laptops >>>>>>>>> WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered >>>>>>>>> on, but >>>>>>>>> nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> fashioned twisted pair. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- >>>>>>>>>> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: Hardware Group >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [H] Open question? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> actively >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> using WIFI for their internal home LANs? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! >>>>>>>>>> The basic question is about the use of WIFI....... :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 >>>>>>>>>> LANs?) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just wondering? >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Duncan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>>> Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: >>>>>>>> 05/12/10 14:26:00 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: >>>>>> 05/13/10 02:26:00 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: >>>> 05/13/10 02:26:00 >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 >> 02:26:00 >> >> >> >
