hi all.. you know i think we all should work to bring the spirit of harmoney to the open source movement in general... for example as a web developer i read about a new php mvc-based framework every couple of days with really nothing new to introduce to the scene.... so if all *similiar* open source projects *harmonized* their efforts... i think we will be in a more productive/innovative open source world... nevertheless, projects with different philosophies about the same thing should just remain separate trying to compete with each other....sorry for my off subject
On 5/20/05, crispyalien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, I just wanted to say that a free opensource VM with do a lot of > harmonyzation in Java world. This is more or les the missing pice. There > are some free java VMs but they will never be used in critical by the > companys to run there applications if it won't be backed-up by a big > (and well known for it's qality) company/fundation. I think Appache > fundation cand be that sponsor. I also believe that Harmony should only > be about VM+classpath. But I could also see the meaning in having a tool > development pack. This could be done by some other project. Maybe > Appache could take the lead here too but this is another story. > > best regards, > Valentin > > Gary Affonso wrote: > > >On 5/20/05 3:38 AM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>On May 19, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Renaud BECHADE wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Another point that is unrelated, but what about the "packaging" of > >>>the VM? > >>>Do we plan to release it with say Eclipse + Server (JSF + IDE + > >>>object DB or > >>>O/R mapping + HSQL DB)? (IMHO this is good way to legitimate it) > >>> > >>> > >>No. Why would we do this? > >> > >> > > > >I could see why someone (at least myself) might tend to think in this > >direction. > > > >This project has been called "Harmony" and, well, there's a lot in the > Java > >world that could stand to be "Harmonized". The various ORM solutions, the > >IDE's, the webapp frameworks, etc. Hell, a good chunk of the "disharmony" > >with Java right now is serious rift between Sun, which pushes EJB, and > the > >"lightweight" folks who are seeing a shocking (and, IMO, deserved) amount > of > >success with creating and using an EJB alternative (Spring, Hibernate, > >etc.). > > > >I'm not saying I think this Harmony project should try to and harmonize > any > >of those thing. It's got its job cut out for it to "harmonize" the > various > >efforts around... > > > > * a JVM > > * a compiler > > * a class library > > > >...without thinking about the upper layers of the Java stack. I think the > >scope of this effort is clear to those who are moderately "in the know". > > > >But it's not a big surprise (at least to me) that when moderately "out of > >the know" people hear "Java Harmony" they might think the effort extends > >beyond just the core components. Indeed, they'll probably assume that it > >addresses the aspects of Java that are, to many, are the most acrimonious > to > >begin with (EJB vs Lightweight or NetBeans/Swing vs Eclipse/SWT). > > > >If nothing else, I'd suggest this be in a FAQ somewhere so that it's > clear > >that "Harmony" intends to address just a small subset of the java world, > not > >even the one that gets the most "acrimony" in the press and on blogs. > > > >- Gary > > > > > > > > > >
